No, many religions are fabrications because their underpinnings have shown to be derived from other religions, often politically driven and even self-contradictory. (Genesis 1 vs 2 is a good example there.) There is certainly no empirical evidence FOR religion; if there were, it wouldn't be religion.Yet for some reason, you can't back down from the notion that religion is a fabrication on the strength of empirical science.
No, many religions are fabrications because their underpinnings have shown to be derived from other religions,
Is it reasonable to expect that religion not find any cultural expression in politics, or is this yet another imposed glass ceiling that has the finger prints of atheists all over the top-side of it?often politically driven
Especially in the minds of atheists.and even self-contradictory. (Genesis 1 vs 2 is a good example there.)
The fact that you can't see the same is also true of atheism is the problem here.There is certainly no empirical evidence FOR religion; if there were, it wouldn't be religion.
No one has claimed anything of the kind. You are inventing strange things for other people to have posted.Yet for some reason, you can't back down from the notion that religion is a fabrication on the strength of empirical science.
Of course - as always here, in my posting."Many quite different and often conflicting views fall into the grab-bag category of "atheist"."
Want to play with topologies, and you can say the same thing about "theist".
Nope.Is it reasonable to expect that religion not find any cultural expression in politics
If you are trying to claim that the hearsay of your living there for 12 months contradicts over a century of well documented data, then yes, wiki trumps you.
There are footnotes to the wiki page if you want to chase things up.
At the very least, if the strength of your argument is "But hey, I lived there for a year about 70 or so years after the events in question", at the very least, you need to pad out your ideas, and this is probably not the right forurm for it ... hence the suggestion to get in to private publishing. It is just like the people who start discussions here along the lines of "I have discovered a new breakthrough in science". The ressult of the inevitable pinata festival tends to be "Contemporary science disagrees". If you want to save face, write a book or articles. If you want to use sciforums as a platform for rewriting history, face the pinata festival.
Of course its just my opinion, but I bet if you wrote the book, you would just find yourself out of pocket or at the centre of a greater pinata festival, so I don't expect you to actually take the path of a sincere person with knowledge because you are not a sincere person with knowledge. You are just a person pulling stuff out of your asshole, regardless whether its your ideas of Stalin attending confession or daily life under his rulership, in the attempt to win an argument on the interwebs.
]Yet the fact that you couldn't distinguish Catholicism from Russian Orthodoxy tends to ring of the superficial stereotypes of a 3 day trip in transit, or worse,
Difference of opinion is not schism. And discussion doesn't even require difference of opinion. It only requires the potential for difference of opinion.I find it hard to believe you have never participated in a discussion with diametrically opposing views of God or religion .... mainly because you are doing it at this very moment.
You're assuming that there is a difference between gods and pixies, a point that you have not established.The fact that you categorize God as belonging to the same category as a pixie is an obvious maneuver that puts you at odds with others who hold different views.
Those are ends of the continuum. I'm looking for the dividing line between a godlike pixie and a pixieish god.I think anyone can see the differences
Those are ends of the continuum. I'm looking for the dividing line between a godlike pixie and a pixieish god.
That's what I'm saying but Musika et al insist that there's a fundamental difference.Like shades of colour they are melded together in such a way that moving from one to the other does not actually produce a dividing line
If I find no good (empirical) reason to believe in God, and I don't, that makes me an atheist. It's the default state. You don't have to believe God doesn't exist to be an atheist. This is an important point, please make a note of it.The fact that you can't see the same is also true of atheism is the problem here.
That's what I'm saying but Musika et al insist that there's a fundamental difference.
Not so! God makes regular appearances on Stephen Colbert. I've seen other strange guests on that show, but never a pixie.Of course both being mythical you will never see either in real life
Not so! God makes regular appearances on Stephen Colbert. I've seen other strange guests on that show, but never a pixie.
That's either because they don't exist or they're camera-shy.
If the differences are mutually exclusive, it's a schism.Difference of opinion is not schism. And discussion doesn't even require difference of opinion. It only requires the potential for difference of opinion.
Your assuming there is no difference.You're assuming that there is a difference between gods and pixies,
You are already establishing the schism the moment you present the view that God is pixielike, at the express opposition to the view that God isn't.a point that you have not established.
That may default you to an atheist, but it's not the empiricism. There are plenty of theistic arguments to suggest its not reasonable, in the first place, to establish God as something empirical. Your atheism is more about what you expect empiricism to be capable of, rather than what you can discern with it. It faces the exact same problems of those who point to something within the empirical sciences as evidence of God.If I find no good (empirical) reason to believe in God, and I don't, that makes me an atheist. It's the default state. You don't have to believe God doesn't exist to be an atheist. This is an important point, please make a note of it.
Okay, if you say so, if Wiki is where you get all you're information.
Billvon already has.No one has claimed anything of the kind.