Stephen H and Tiassa can I ask?
I am sure some in the thread will read ALL which you have posted and good on you and those who read everything and contribute to the discussion (which I am not doing with this post)
But this appears as Duelling Religious snippets or a a large version of He said / She said
And on the snippets it appears on my skimming read most appear to be of dubious quality
I'm guessing the whole "was it said - was it translated correctly" will never be settled
Is it possible to relate to what is being said / done now without really tracking back years and years to what was said then
Really the Earth does revolve around the sun
To those doing the full reading of the thread I hope you get a certificate when the thread winds up