Justice is not always about the self.
It is in my eyes :shrug:
I don't understand how you can say the dad must give money to the mother simply because to do otherwise would "stiff" the child. Am I understanding you correctly this time?
Justice is not always about the self.
Much as my wording implied law, I was thinking more morals. I have sympathy for the guy working in the gas station who had a quicky with A FEMALE LAWYER and gets slapped with chipping in a portion of his salary for the quicky behind the rest rooms with someone he did indeed talk about abortion with and he used a condom.One of the problems I foresee with such a scenario is that we'll have a booming industry of family lawyers representing children suing their fathers for lack of support, and naming their mothers as conspirators.
I'm just not sure this is something a court would let a mother throw away on her child's behalf. I mean, death is death, right? If the father's dead, the kid doesn't have that father. But to tell a child that he or she doesn't have the right to parents? That's fucked up ... ain't it?
And then the disgruntled father, in addition to paying back support, will also have to cover whatever ridiculous legal bills were involved.
Come on ... can't we screw the lawyers this time? Just once?
Betrayer0fHope said:
It is in my eyes
I don't understand how you can say the dad must give money to the mother simply because to do otherwise would "stiff" the child. Am I understanding you correctly this time?
Asguard said:
that i think if two people are in a commited relationship then the decision should be a JOINT one, thats my only opinion on the matter.
Simon Anders said:
Much as my wording implied law, I was thinking more morals
D. Consent to Semen Donation
7.9 We repeat the view expressed in our Discussion Paper13 that no legislative statement is called for in relation to procedures or documents for consent to semen donation either by the donor or by his wife and we so recommend. However, we believe that clinics normally require donors to sign a written consent evidencing the conditions of their relationship, and some clinics also require the consent of donors’ wives.14 These are matters of medical practice, to be left to the clinic and to agreement between the parties. We note that the relationship of doctor and patient may not normally exist between a clinic and a donor (see Chapter 8 and paragraph 13.28).
7.4 There appears to be an overlap or confusion in some reports between the question whether or not a husband should consent to his wife receiving AID and the related question of the effect of the husband’s consent upon the status of the AID child and his relationship with the child. The United Kingdom Report and the Victorian Report (1983) dealt directly with the first question. The Victorian Report (1983) took a strict view that consents to IVF must be formally given in writing before treatment can be lawful. The consequent Victorian legislation appears to be ambiguous in relation to AID.2 The United Kingdom Report, on the other hand, saw no need for the law to require a husband’s consent or to specify its form, although it was firmly of the view that good medical practice requires the written consent of both partners before AID is performed.3 The Queensland Report said nothing on the first question, but spoke clearly on the need for the husband’s consent as a prerequisite to his legal paternity. The Ontario Report did the same, discussing the question of paternity but not the question of a husband’s consent as such.4
Why should she have to pay money for a child she put up for adoption?
Same reason the father can get nailed for child support by the adoptive parents of the baby or the state, becuase the law and ethics are often divorced from each other.
Hell we learned that in the discussion of if a man should pay child support if he was raped.
Asguard said:
what do you mean tiassa?
here is an observation for you tiassa,
PB and i have been arguing constantly about wether when we have kids she should have an elective c-section
now i have more medical knowlage than she does symply because of the training im getting and im against it because a) the rehabilitation required after that sort of surgury
b) because of the damage not being born vaginally does to the child
are you trying to say that i shouldnt have an opinion on that either because im not HER?
what about the gynocologist?
what about psychologists? can they have an opinion about mental illness when they have never suffered them?
its silly to sugest that because you arnt the person that you cant understand them and STUPID to suggest that you cant understand your own partner to a higher level than a random stranger. as i said there was one time i tried to hide something from her, it was that i was suffering depression again, she knew straight away what was up because she can read me like a book.
a) i wont be an EMT, i will be a paramedic trained to a higher diognostic standed than nurses (our job is closer to that of a doctor\cop than a nurse thank you very much, most doctors are only good for drip stands in the field)
b) i watched a med student try a put a drip into PB when she had a UTI and i could have done it BLINDFOLDED compared to this moron. she couldnt even FIND a vain
Betrayer0fHope said:
So women love their children more than men? Because you definitely imply that when you say that men cannot understand how it feels to abort a child like a woman does...
Asguard said:
its silly to sugest that because you arnt the person that you cant understand them and STUPID to suggest that you cant understand your own partner to a higher level than a random stranger. as i said there was one time i tried to hide something from her, it was that i was suffering depression again, she knew straight away what was up because she can read me like a book.
Asguard said:
tiassa, whats the point of going to a psychologist then?
do you think my shrink has ever had the people he called friends run away from him and lock him away from them on a daily bases?
do you think he ever had his head slamed into the ashfelt by someone he never even spoke to and to this day i have no idea WHY it happened. i was knocked clear unconcious and only have two memories period from that day and dont even know if they are real
do you think he can understand being a 12 year old and moving to a new school only to be invited over to someones house and having a rope put around his neck?
do you think he can understand having to walk the whole way around the block rather than straight to his house three doors from the school because of that child?
do you think he understands hiding in a bush on a daily basis while the old man who lived there made sure the kid was gone before being able to walk up the road back to my house (again 3 doors from the school)
do you think he can understand having your teacher tell you when he has left so that you could go home rather than the school actually dealing with the situation?
do you think having experianced all this i can understand PB when she tells me how her whole school surounded her and yelled at her, degraded her for what?????
and im sorry but to compare RAPE to a couple making a joint decision about pregancy is a cop out.
im sorry tiassa but in spite of what you might think but not all of us are rapists and not all of us are irrisponcable. i got degraded in another thread about 3 rugby players who are being investigated for rape for surposedly concidering all women to be innocent victoms
well maybe you should think about the fact that not all men are rapists and for most of us women are just as likly (more so in my case) to want to engage in sexual activity as men are
i always love hearing women say that a man can never understand the pain of child birth while other women say that kidney stones are more painful
i always love the focus on PND while no resorces are focused on men who might or might not be suffering the same lack of sleep, the same finantial burdens, as well as caring for there partner after birth
can a women ever understand the pain a man would go through when he has wanted a child for ever and when his partner gets pregant she decides to abort it just to cause him pain?????
to bring rape in to counter my point that in a partnership these decisions should be MADE as a partnership is dishonest