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Asguard said:
women wants to get laid, women gets pregnant, women needs to show responcability and not take it out on an inocent child
its the exact same argument my friend, if she didnt want to get pregnant she shouldnt have spreed her legs ect, and its a stupid argument in both situations.
I don't agree with the phrase "innocent child". As I've stated before in discussions of the general abortion debate, I have a dryfoot policy: The "child" gets its status when it makes it out of the womb. And, coincidentally—and relevant to our discussion here—that's when the father's rights and responsibilities set in. Furthermore, we
are dealing with the almost paradoxical twist that the complaint arises when a woman
doesn't have an abortion.
Now, to note our friend Mr. Anders—
Simon Anders said:
See the woman 'faces the consequences' of a pregancy. No mere phone call or disappearing evades that. She must either have it or not and each entail effects on her body.
—I would like to reiterate a question, Asguard:
What is the equivalent principle that men face?
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Betrayer0fHope said:
You forgot that life is meaningless, Tiassa.
And, yet, Sisyphus is happy. If not, he should put down the rock and walk away.
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Visceral Instinct said:
But say...if they both agreed they didn't want children, they used contraception, it failed...she knows they agreed not to have children but her instinct is too powerful to have her abort the fetus...How is that fair to him?
It's his own fault. If he failed to recognize and prepare for that possibility, it's nobody's fault but his own.
And, yes, I've been there before, so to speak. My partner
lied to me about her reproductive status. And, as I've noted before, if I had put two minutes' effort into researching what she was talking about, I would have realized this. Yes, I think she's a chronic liar, and I've believed that for
years—well before my daughter was conceived. But it doesn't change the fact that I blindly hopped on for the ride.
Seriously:
• I need to have a certain medical treatment before we can reproduce — Um, okay. (This is what I failed to look up.)
• I don't like condoms. They're not comfortable. — Um, okay.
• The pill is bad for my health. — Okay. Whatever.
• Come inside me! That's right! Ungggh! — Um ... okay!
Seriously.
Yes, seriously!
Any guy who is willing to blindly climb on as soon as he hears what he wants—"Of
course I'll have an abortion"—is simply fooling himself. Now, maybe the woman does go on to have the abortion. But he
should not be surprised if nature wins out when the woman faces the choice directly. If he has failed to account for this possibility, instead pretending that nature—of which humanity is a mere component—is wholly subordinate to abstract human will, whose fault is that?