Yeah I have, books concerning his 'opinion' sell for a tidy sum of $40 and yet fails on many levels. He argues that ADHD is a fraud because no abnormality in the brain can be detected. Strangely enough, neither can any abnormality be detected with depression - and yet it is still just as valid a disorder to which drugs can be prescribed.
me))no abnormality means no disease to be treated with drugs! He and Azasz are not just giving their 'opinions', tey etal are showing up your pseudoscience scam for what it is. aughman has just published a new book all about te evil scam you people do which diagnoses and harms, and in some cases KILLS, and stigamtizes millions of children!
However, these two people are giving their opinion on two largely different things, and they are still refuted by the overwhelming mass majority of professionals. If you believe it's some mass conspiracy, then I cannot really say much that is going to help.
me)))never ASKEDyou for help. you and your people are the LAST people on Earth i would ask or go to for help. and Szasz and aughman are NOT giving different opinions about things. they BOTH assert that mental illness is a MYTH which is is.
Yes. Now I don't know where you work or if you work, but for argument sake let's just say you work at McDonalds. Would you really want to go on a forum and talk about hamburgers all night? It's unlikely - and as religious debate is where my interest lies, I generally stay on this section.
me)))so err why are you talkin bout it here then? why ARE you here then. seems to me you are pushin your myth.
Might I ask what professional qualification allows you to make that statement with any credibility whatsoever? Your belief is as meaningless as belief in mermaids - that's coming from a professional.
me))))))here it comes. the AUTHORITY, ie: who are littel YOU to question whether you have a biological mental disease or not!"---and people believe it ti'll get worse when you lose rights and these pople are in contol wit you behind locked doors. checkout
www.mindreedom.org where psychiatric survivors ALSo have a tale to tell!
And there are thousands upon thousands of others with this speciality, and yet seemingly none of them agree. What I ask is why
you take the word of 1 man over the word of everyone else.
me)))i am not takin word of '1' man, but more tan several who are the ones with guts to reveal what your shm controlling myth is ll about. Thomas Szasz goes into tis METICULOUSLY in the book a imentioned titled The Manufacture of Madness: A Comparison of the Inquisition and the Mental Health Movement. any intelligent people are actually now beginning to wake up to what's been going on, and continues to go on, espcially with MILIONS of our children who cannpt defend thmselves against these shysters, and parents can be ythreatened to not comply with their authority. I am on praivate mailing list qit Dr Baughman, and have seen some the parents despairing letters.
Of course they have to deny it. If he was considered a crackpot nobody would buy his books.. imagine all that lost profit.
me))Heis most definately not a 'crackpot'---hah how apt coming from a shrink!
But they are.. unless you can justify your statements. I previously gave you that chance and you declined. Tell me how the opinion of one or two people in any way gives justification against the refutations of everyone else.
me))))oh , i hae lready said fellah. take tis up wit Dr Buaghman, and transfer communicational results to here. lets see who ends up with egg on the face. he has challenfed head of APA to PROVE tat mental illness is disease and was ignored, etc etc. so look snakelord your constant whining to justify yur pofession is takin over my thread. YOu KNOW my position now, accept it!
That's not what my statement implied. Indeed it was a question.. Pay attention.
me)))who are YOU tellin to pay attention? gpo and do your power ting on someone else.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "all that is available". What else would you suggest that saves lives? Of course take into account that nobody forces you into any positions. You don't have to go and see doctors, shrinks, teachers, bankers or anyone else. It probably wont do you much good if you don't, but you still have the choice.
me))))good food, good environment, intelligent people who understand Natureis intelligent and not a meaningless machine...etc
I agree that many other species suffer needlessly because of man - but I do not personally see how 'sacramental' experiences are going to help change any of that - other than everyone being in such a 'weak' state that they can't get up and do anything.
me))))ohhh you know nothin about it. you haven't even HAD psychedelic experience. here some homework.......hah
Hardly, but I can only respond to what
you say. You seemed kind of bitter at people that want to live longer.. or even mention that people now live longer.
me))am i hell bitter. and you ask ME yto pay attention. your lucky i've given ya this much! thers nuthin forcin me yu know
'Have' to or 'want' to?
me)))))have to-----a book by Grof and Halifax---they were aloowed to administer LSD to terminally ill people. they found that tose who had deep experience found they didn't need to 'hang on' any more!
Is that "cultural pressure" or genetic fight for survival?
me)))))))cultural pressure to cling on at al costs. ie., some cultures like rthe Eskimo, old peple see suicide as an honour
Religion? No. Respect for science.. certainly. It has put men on the moon, allows you the ability to talk to people on the other side of the planet, cured a billion diseases, and always strived to move mankind forward.
me)))))))what you want me to say. you've made yer mind up. dont listen.........have already explained tis!
Nothing else can ever make that claim. Religion hasn't, and using hallucinogens certainly hasn't.
me)))to you no. cause you have axeto grind. you come here for confrontation. so its hard for you to understand me. and as sid ironically no not what you speak of --regardin pychedelic experience
They always have and they always will Duendy - even in the times when people were running round naked, eating hallucinogens. What science does is try to help limit the amount of people that are living miserable lives and dying younger. Taking drugs does the opposite.. indeed if you get into it in a big way it pretty much guarantees a miserable life where you'll die younger.
