Religious Tolerance

[Solve et Coagula]

"In our Brotherhood, we live the great Christian festivals of Christmas and Easter as simply as we live the other days: we pray, meditate and sing. And even if we give special thought to the birth, death or resurrection of Christ, we do nothing exceptional. If this leaves some people dissatisfied, they are free to go and celebrate these festivals in their churches or their temples. Everyone must decide what form to give to his religious feelings, and he must allow others to do the same. The fact that they have different beliefs and rituals must never be a reason for people to attack each other. It is unwise to destroy the lives of others in the name of such and such a religious founder. Rather than provoking endless disorder and strife, people must embrace one another, help one another and fraternize with one another. In doing so they will demonstrate that they are followers of the one true religion, the universal religion of light and love, whose model is the sun. "

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[Mosheh Thezion]

DO YOU ACTUALLY WRITE THIS STUFF??

not that im argueing...

but..

where do you draw the line in who is your brother??

is the bum lying in the gutter down the street you brother?

even though he maybe a drunk atheist??

-MT

 

[Adstar]

where do you draw the line in who is your brother??

is the bum lying in the gutter down the street you brother?

even though he maybe a drunk atheist??

-MT

He is a potentail brother in Jesus. And as a fellow human being he is brother in the flesh. For me the border line in faith is about shared faith in Jesus as Lord and Redeemer.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[Spectrum]

Light, love and the sun, Solve et Coagula? Your focus on light and the sun coincides with one of my previous interests; namely what happens if one stops a beam of light by slowing it down using a series of prisms, but such a thing seems to be 'impossible'.

Mosheh Thezion: if we are all descendents of two humans then we are all brothers, sisters, sons and daughters of our creator. But you may question the validity of the Adam and Eve story. Perhaps this short story may sway you, or at least provide some interest to you:

One day, after Moses had grown up, he went out to where his own people were and watched them at their hard labor. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. Glancing this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand. The next day he went out and saw two Hebrews fighting. He asked the one in the wrong, "Why are you hitting your fellow Hebrew?" The man said, "Who made you ruler and judge over us? Are you thinking of killing me as you killed the Egyptian?" Then Moses was afraid and thought, "What I did must have become known."
When Pharaoh heard of this, he tried to kill Moses, but Moses fled from Pharaoh and went to live in Midian...

(For the full story you might want to inspect the bottom of this page, with relation to Gershom)

Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the desert and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. So Moses thought, "I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up."

So, Moses' guilt allowed him to discover 'the LORD', after which he could return to Egypt. This discovery allowed a mass Exodus from Egypt, as Pharoah allowed many families to leave Egypt, eventually. Following this Exodus:

...Jethro, the priest of Midian and father-in-law of Moses, heard of everything God had done for Moses and for his people Israel, and how the LORD had brought Israel out of Egypt.

Moses told his father-in-law about everything the LORD had done to Pharaoh and the Egyptians for Israel's sake and about all the hardships they had met along the way and how the LORD had saved them.

Jethro was delighted to hear about all the good things the LORD had done for Israel in rescuing them from the hand of the Egyptians. He said, "Praise be to the LORD, who rescued you from the hand of the Egyptians and of Pharaoh, and who rescued the people from the hand of the Egyptians.

The next day Moses took his seat to serve as judge for the people, and they stood around him from morning till evening.

The LORD said to Moses, "I am going to come to you in a dense cloud, so that the people will hear me speaking with you and will always put their trust in you." Then Moses told the LORD what the people had said.

And the LORD said to Moses, "Go to the people and consecrate them today and tomorrow. Have them wash their clothes and be ready by the third day, because on that day the LORD will come down on Mount Sinai in the sight of all the people. Put limits for the people around the mountain and tell them, 'Be careful that you do not go up the mountain or touch the foot of it. Whoever touches the mountain shall surely be put to death. He shall surely be stoned or shot with arrows; not a hand is to be laid on him. Whether man or animal, he shall not be permitted to live.' Only when the ram's horn sounds a long blast may they go up to the mountain."

After Moses had gone down the mountain to the people, he consecrated them, and they washed their clothes. Then he said to the people, "Prepare yourselves for the third day. Abstain from sexual relations."

On the morning of the third day there was thunder and lightning, with a thick cloud over the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast. Everyone in the camp trembled. Then Moses led the people out of the camp to meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain. Mount Sinai was covered with smoke, because the LORD descended on it in fire. The smoke billowed up from it like smoke from a furnace, the whole mountain trembled violently, and the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder.

Doesn't the 'ending' to this story sound like the descent of an Alien spaceship?

 

[Mosheh Thezion]

IF YOU ALL CONSIDER ALL MANKIND TO BE YOUR FAMILY....

then it is a sad day... for obviousl this is one fucked up family... that lets its brothers and sisters eat trash and sleep in the cold... often simply because they dont adopt the same reigious views as the one who might help them.

thats messed up... and not what GOD said to do in duet 15...
and not at all what JESUS said to do in the entire NT..

-MT

 

[Godless]

Spectrum;

Otside the bible there's no evidence that moses even existed.

The task of reconstructing the life of Moses according to modern historical science is not easy. Apart from partial Hebrew Scriptures we have no evidence that Moses, the leader of Israel's “Exodus,” ever lived. A self-serving cult document is not the best possible source for historical proof.

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Moses myth related to the legend of Sargon;
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Moses myth related to the legend of Sinuhe;

Another Egyptian text that belongs in the known version to the twentieth century BC is the epic of Sinuhe, which has much in common with the biblical story of Moses. According to biblical tales, Moses committed a crime in Egypt and ran away to the land of Midian, where he married the daughter of Jethro. After living in Midian territory as a shepherd and raising a family, Moses heard the voice of God asking him to return to Egypt for an important task. In the story of Sinuhe the sequence of events is the same: This legendary character committed some infraction, he ran away from Egypt to the land of Ya, married the daughter of the local chief, became a shepherd, and had children, a messenger called him back to Egypt for an important task. It is unlikely that such parallels in these stories were the result of pure coincidence. The two tales may well have a common matrix, which cannot be more recent than the oldest of the two versions; thus the matrix of the biblical story of Moses in Midian must go back at least to the twentieth century BC.

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So it stands to reason, that the biblical moses perhaps was a madeup story of these two previous Egyptians myths, passed on as real events. But it is clearly shown to be myth.

Godless

 

[c7ityi_]

So it stands to reason, that the biblical moses perhaps was a madeup story of these two previous Egyptians myths, passed on as real events. But it is clearly shown to be myth.

Egyptian myths are true.

 

[spidergoat]

Yay, religion. The cause of, and the solution to, most of mankind's problems. Kinda like beer.

 

[Godless]

C7 myths are not true stories. You don't even believe in "individuality".

Is individuality a myth?

*A fiction or half-truth, especially one that forms part of an ideology.
A fictitious story, person, or thing: “German artillery superiority on the Western Front was a myth” (Leon Wolff)* http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=myth

*In common usage, myth means a falsehood — a story which some believe but which is not true. In this sense, a myth is a "mere story" that might hold meaning meaning for people but is not historical fact.* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myths

Godless

 

[c7ityi_]

Individuality exists in illusion (mind), but not in reality. Myths are ancient stories which modern people can't understand because the old words and concepts have lost their meaning. Because of this, people think "myths" (for lack of another word) are false, so the word myth has become associated with the word false, but this doesn't mean the ancient stories were not true (in one way or another)

myth: "A traditional, typically ancient story dealing with supernatural beings, ancestors, or heroes that serves as a fundamental type in the worldview of a people, as by explaining aspects of the natural world or delineating the psychology, customs, or ideals of society: the myth of Eros and Psyche; a creation myth."

"a traditional story accepted as history; serves to explain the world view of a people" http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=myth

etc. what words mean is not so important in this case, the important are the things words are associated with.

 

[Godless]

Individuality exists in illusion (mind), but not in reality.

That is the most mystical bull shit anyone can believe.

It is thoughts like these that corrupt governments become tirants, that take freedom away from idividuals that lead to the collective, such as Communism, Fascism, Socialism, and religious forms of governments such as the state of Islam.

Basically you are a simpleton, one who has no sense of self c7, an idiot willing to be exploited by those who you cosider to have authority, you don't question their motives, or if their motives are rational, and amoral, you just do without question what is demanded of you. You are right! Your not an idividual, but an IDIOT!

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Godless

 

[Bowser]

then it is a sad day... for obviousl this is one fucked up family... that lets its brothers and sisters eat trash and sleep in the cold.

And there it is. Hmm, I once volunteered and worked in a church kitchen. I never once heard anyone quote the Bible during that time. Some things need not be said, maybe. I need to do more volunteer work... That was a good thing.

 

[Godless]

Myths are ancient stories which modern people can't understand because the old words and concepts have lost their meaning.

No dumbass myths are story that were told orally and passed on, of which each person exagerated a bit more, each freaking time, by the time the stories were writen they were already know as children stories. Little Red Riding Hood, is a mythical story of the sun and nightfall, so are other ancient stories. Read 1001 tales here

Godless

 

[Godless]

And there it is. Hmm, I once volunteered and worked in a church kitchen. I never once heard anyone quote the Bible during that time. Some things need not be said, maybe. I need to do more volunteer work... That was a good thing.

Well if you happen to be in the Houston Area, you can volunteer here

Godless

 

[Bowser]

Interesting. How is your volunteer program going?

 

[Godless]

Well first of all is not mine, and btw they do join all sorts of other groups, wether they be religious or not!.

 

[Bowser]

Web site of the Houston Atheist Society

So, they join religious groups simply for the opportunity to do good things within the group...like serve in a kitchen serving meals to the less fortunate?

COMMUNITY SERVICE DIRECTOR: This person would guide our efforts to raise funds and host events for the purpose of helping our neighbors in need. Our Community Service Director would be chairperson of 'Secular Helping Hands,' the operatring name of our Community Service Committee.

I think the spirit of the above is a good one.

 

[Godless]

It's called secular humanism Bowser, they truly don't discriminate.

Yea! that's cool. Many other secular/humanist groups do the same.

 

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IF YOU ALL CONSIDER ALL MANKIND TO BE YOUR FAMILY....

then it is a sad day... for obviousl this is one fucked up family... that lets its brothers and sisters eat trash and sleep in the cold... often simply because they dont adopt the same reigious views as the one who might help them.

thats messed up... and not what GOD said to do in duet 15...
and not at all what JESUS said to do in the entire NT..

-MT

Agreed It is a sad world we live in. Don't you just hate it?


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[Mosheh Thezion]

who is this ancient of days????

-MT