Religion Is Logic
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YinYan,
I think the terms “logic and logical” here are being used in a very imprecise manner. In a technical sense their conclusions are no more than speculations, that they say “it seems logical to me” has no connection to real logic. You seem to be confusing the two.
Logic is not dependent on subjective perception. Either something is true or false or the conclusion is valid or invalid. Or alternatively one simply has inadequate information to determine any outcome.
I think the terms “logic and logical” here are being used in a very imprecise manner. In a technical sense their conclusions are no more than speculations, that they say “it seems logical to me” has no connection to real logic. You seem to be confusing the two.
I hope you didn’t miss my point and you can see the difference between a logical deduction and the stupidity of miss-assigning cause and effect.
What’s the difference? The heart of logic is to be able to determine what is true or not.
As pointed out already it is simply a misuse and /or misunderstanding of what is meant by logic.
Thanks for your input.
But let me try to say it in other words.
math is logic..... right?
the kind of math you learn in say ground school is logic... 1+1=2
The kind of math you learn at the university is also logic... but you have to have a higher level of understanding to see the logic.. Right?
So... if we take two persons, one who only has a ground school education, and one who has an university education.
The one who has the ground school will be able to understand the logic of math to a certain point, when this point is reached what comes after is up to speckulation. Some "ground schooler" might get it right by using their logic, some will never understand higher levels of logic mabye because the choose not to.
The one with the university edu. will be able to understand logic at a much higher level.
What do religions basicly do?
They explain how the world around us work, from a limited point of view.
What do sciencs do?
It explain how the world around us works, from a higher point of view.
When religions started they were using the kind of logic they had achived at that time. if we compare it to the ex. with gronud school and uni. edu.
They were using kindergarden logic. But it is still some form of logic, just a very low form seen from our point of view.
Well for instance, the average human uses logic day in and day out. It's very singular this way. But for large groups of people, logic can be warped and very distorted.
It's funny i should mention this. Yinyang told me a theory which sounds very similar today.
Logic is a tool. To use it one must start with assumptions.
It is the accuracy of the assumptions that is in question, not really the logic.
One can start from any assumptions and arrive at a "logical" conclusion (if logic is applied correctly) - but the conclusion is of little value if the assumptions are incorrect or inaccurate to begin with.
Take the following two assumptions:
1. All apples are Blue
2. I have an apple.
Conclusion
The apple I hold is blue.
This is a logical conclusion based on the assumptions - but it is of little value in the real world - as the assumptions (one or more) are inaccurate.
Thus with religion - if one starts with inaccurate assumptions then the conclusions are devalued to real-world scenarios, and applicable only to the starting assumptions.
The questions then become: what are the assumptions, and are they valid / accurate.
Most religions start with one basic assumption: God exists
Starting from that assumption, their conclusions might be logical - just of questionable value to those that don't hold the assumption as valid.
For what seems like a follower of Taosim, you express very unTaoist behavior, YinYangDK
Are you confirming that you and theism are seperate? The goal is to be one with the universe, in complete harmony and balance and cause no Abstraction, as was said in the Tao te Ching; you do not do this.
Are you confirming that you and theism are seperate? The goal is to be one with the universe, in complete harmony and balance and cause no Abstraction, as was said in the Tao te Ching; you do not do this.
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religion was invented to keep society at bay also because no one understood how the world worked they needed a reason for it so they imagined god (their imaginary frind in the sky)
i'mm an atheist (I'm only 13 so my arguments arent that strong)
i'mm an atheist (I'm only 13 so my arguments arent that strong)
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M*W: Well, I am impressed with you! You are mature for your age. Don't discount yourself. You have a lot of wisdom.
I was an atheist when i was 13, but when i was 17 i started to understand what religions were talking about when they were talking about god, so i couldn't be an atheist anymore. But now when i understand what "god" is i can't be a theist either, because Hindus say that the self is god.
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M*W: Reiku: For a 13 year-old, I think he's on the right track. He should be encouraged for his enlightened thinking instead of being confused.
Yorda: You are a victim of disenlightenment. You have gone backward in your thinking, and that's a problem. You're stuck in your own manure.
Well..... I might seem like a follower of Taosim because Í use the handel Yinyang..... but Im not.
Q. What is Yinyang a symbol of?
A. two opposites, 0/1.
This is from another thread: SciForums.com : Subcultures : Pseudoscience : Does Time Move At All?
How do you know that religion was invented to keep society at bay?
Any primative culture known to man, have at some point in time looked at the world and thought..... " WOW... How was this made?"
Ex.
Today We know what tectonic plates are and that mountains at made when two tectonic plates crash into eachother.
Here is something along the lines of what a "caveman" could logically think:
I can make molehill, but I would never be able to make a mountain... so how was the mountain made?
Who ever made it must have been huge!
This could very well be the way the idea of gods came to be.
By your logic, everyone is a god.
So stop beliving in gods and start beliving in your self.
This would still make you an atheist. (no matter how much you call your self a god)
Yep he is on the right track.......... He has accepted that he is an atheist, what he needs now is to develop his logic.
Because the world is made of 4 elements, there are 4 main religions. Christianity and Islam mostly say that God is separate from us. In Christianity God is a person, in Islam, God is more abstract. In Hinduism the definition of God gets even more watered down so the self is the same as God. And Buddhists who are more down to earth get rid of that confusion altogether and say that there are no gods, and that's why Buddhism is all about the self and self-realization a.k.a. God-realization.
In the Zodiac of religions Christianity is fire, Islam is wind, Hinduism is water and Buddhism is earth.
By your logic, Hindus are atheists. Does it have to be either theist or atheist? Reality is not just black or white. Atheism and theism are "two" different perspectives of the same reality.
In the Zodiac of religions Christianity is fire, Islam is wind, Hinduism is water and Buddhism is earth.
By your logic, Hindus are atheists. Does it have to be either theist or atheist? Reality is not just black or white. Atheism and theism are "two" different perspectives of the same reality.
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