Religion and Human Rights

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Not all countries have a stable enough government allowing the honoring of The Universal Declarations of Human Rights monitored by the United Nations. Some nations are not signatories to the agreement.
 
Not all countries have a stable enough government allowing the honoring of The Universal Declarations of Human Rights monitored by the United Nations. Some nations are not signatories to the agreement.

So you have to sign up for human rights? Who enforces them?
 
So you have to sign up for human rights? Who enforces them?

Violations of human rights are monitored by one or more of the typical human rights organizations geared up to do the job.

Enforcement of human rights on a governmental level isn't always possible without sending in an army. Saddam Hussein was ousted from power in Iraq. The Iraqi courts did the rest.

Video Of Saddam Hussein Being Hung
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyIHrbGajTM

Saddam Hussein verdict
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGQaPYzFZ8o
 
So it was vigilante justice that did it then. The Iraqis hung their own president. Human rights is by mob rule. Like the aristocracy beheaded in France.

Note that for 25 years after he was installed by the west and while he was throwing people in boiling oil or putting them through wood chippers no one cared, it was only when he made the euro his oil currency that everyone remembered that Iraqis were humans, something they conveniently forgot while they imposed sanctions that killed 500,000 Iraqi children.

Guess the "human rights" of those children did not count.
 
So it was vigilante justice that did it then. The Iraqis hung their own president. Human rights is by mob rule. Like the aristocracy beheaded in France.


Mob rule or vigilante justice isn't what happend watch the video of Saddam's verdict. All legal court procedings. If you want to know how the Iraqi courts were established after Saddam's ouster do a little googling.


something they conveniently forgot while they imposed sanctions that killed 500,000 Iraqi children.
Guess the "human rights" of those children did not count.


Understand Iraqi people under Saddam's rule didn't have any human rights. Thats not anyone's fault in the west or the United Nations.

Relief for the people of Iraq was supplied. Saddam screwed the Iraqi people by bartering away or exchanging the humanitarin supplies given to the Iraqi people and in turn using the proceeds on himself and his army.
 
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Really? So then the Iraqi people did not have human rights unless they were donated to them?

All legal court procedings

I call it regime change.
 
Really? So then the Iraqi people did not have human rights unless they were donated to them?


The Iraqi people are a signatory of the Human Rights documents and are glad to do so. The Iraqi people didn't have any human rights because Saddam had the attitude 'I am the Law, I own it all".
 
So then their signatures do not matter as long as there is a Saddam or a US.
 
Note that for 25 years after he was installed by the west and while he was throwing people in boiling oil or putting them through wood chippers no one cared, it was only when he made the euro his oil currency that everyone remembered that Iraqis were humans.


Saddam didn't do anything he didn't want to.

When Saddam took over the government of Iraqi, he executed all his rivals and anyone he believed to be a threat. The number executed on the day of his takeover was about 60 high ranking governmental officals. In the world of politics one sometimes has to shake hands with the devil.
 
Right so there are no human rights under dictators. Marvelous. Now you're getting it. Was Iraq a signatory to the UNHCR under Saddam?
 
Right so there are no human rights under dictators. Marvelous. Now you're getting it. Was Iraq a signatory to the UNHCR under Saddam?


I don't know if Iraq had signed the Human Rights documents. He didn't honor them in anyway.
 
As compared to? Who is honoring human rights?


The boss in a dictatorship is the one in power. In a dictatorship the man at the top thinks "I am the law, I own it all" like Saddam. His thinking is extreme self centered ism. He efforts revolve around maintaining his grip on power over the people. Fear and intimidation was his most useful weapon. People living in nations governed by the people and for the people having elections don't have dictator problems. In America election of our temporary head of state happens every 4 years.

The questions are which governments have signed the human rights documents and which ones have not. Which governments are violating human rights? There are organizations where one can report human rights violations. Credible human rights violation reports are investigated and evidence is gathered. When the opportunity presents itself the violators are jailed and given a trial in the countries where the violations occurred.
 
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The boss in a dictatorship is the one in power. In a dictatorship the man at the top thinks "I am the law, I own it all" like Saddam. His thinking is extreme self centered ism. He efforts revolve around maintaining his grip on power over the people. Fear and intimidation was his most useful weapon. People living in nations governed by the people and for the people having elections don't have dictator problems. In America election of our temporary head of state happens every 4 years.

The questions are which governments have signed the human rights documents and which ones have not. Which governments are violating human rights? There are organizations where one can report human rights violations. Credible human rights violation reports are investigated and evidence is gathered. When the opportunity presents itself the violators are jailed and given a trial in the countries where the violations occurred.

How is the trial for Gitmo coming along?
 
hey S.A.M.--if you want some good material, go back to page 2 of this thread.

some people, i really wish i could administer the "paper bag test" to...
 
i absolutely disagree with this.

what god is achieving through christ is absolute freedom for us all in communion. and that is exactly what human rights is all about.

But that can happen regardless of what you do. So there is no problem in raping for example because you're still going to be in communion with Christ.

Peace be unto you ;)
 
But that can happen regardless of what you do. So there is no problem in raping for example because you're still going to be in communion with Christ.

Peace be unto you ;)

not just one person's freedom, everyone's freedom. i think it's safe to say that if you rape someone, you're infringing upon their freedom and human rights.
 
But the point is communion will still happen regardless of the fact someone infringed someone else's freedom..

Peace be unto you ;)
 
But the point is communion will still happen regardless of the fact someone infringed someone else's freedom..

Peace be unto you ;)

hm...i think we're on different pages here. i'll explain...

jesus died for human rights. people aren't enslaved by religions or governments or societies, they're enslaved by sin. jesus died to ensure the abolition of sin.

when sin is abolished, and we are no longer born with this defect (the condition of sin), then communion will be restored (like in the garden). communion with god and with each other. everyone will voluntarily act in accordance with the greater good, because they can, and because they will want to.

imagine a world with no greed, no lust, no envy, no pride, no sloth, no wrath, no gluttony. imagine a world with no fear. no hate. no lies. no need for money. no need to control. everyone living in complete freedom and in abundance and in love and truth.

without sin there would be no need for enforcement, or protection. there would be no infringement.

god isn't achieving or protecting or granting human rights through religion, but through christ.
 
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