Rape Victims are "Criminals" According to Islam

Nehushta

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Why are women considered inferior according to Islam? More specifically, why is a rape victim considered a "criminal" worthy of being stoned to death when a rape occurs (unless, of course, there happened to be present four male Muslims of upright character who witnessed the rape and are willing to testify against the rapist)?

For your reference, here is a story of a woman in Pakistan who was raped by her brother-in-law, and is imprisoned on death-row for "her" crime: In Pakistan, Rape Victims Are the 'Criminals'. This is disgusting beyond belief.
 
Originally posted by Nehushta
Why are women considered inferior according to Islam? More specifically, why is a rape victim considered a "criminal" worthy of being stoned to death when a rape occurs (unless, of course, there happened to be present four male Muslims of upright character who witnessed the rape and are willing to testify against the rapist)?

It is really amusing to see patheric ignorants and islamophobes coming here spitting their vomit under the disguise of rational debate !! it is really sickning.

Women are not considered inferior according to Islam, before you through accusations, you have to be BRAVE enough to back them up with proofs from the Quran, but since you are patheic LIAR and HATER, nothing of that sort is expected from you.

Name me one American president or even vice-president who happend to be woman ??????????????????

Now, the president of the LARGEST muslim country in the world is MUSLIM WOMAN, president megawati of Indonesia.

in 1991, when MRS. BENAZIR BUTUE was the PRIME MINISTER of Pakistan, one fo the typical ignorant anchors of the CNN declared that Muslim women have no rights to vote !!!!!!!!

PATHETIC.

For your reference, here is a story of a woman in Pakistan who was raped by her brother-in-law, and is imprisoned on death-row for "her" crime: In Pakistan, Rape Victims Are the 'Criminals'. This is disgusting beyond belief.

What a joke, an obscure site from geocities is your reference !!

GET A LIFE and GIVE UP THE HATE and LOOK AT HOW YOU TREAT YOUR OWN WOMEN IN THE STATES:

VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IN THE UNITED STATES

MURDER :

Every day four women die in the U.S. as a result of domestic violence , The number of women who have been murdered by their intimate partners is greater than the number of soldiers killed in the Vietnam War.

BATTERING:

Although only 572,000 reports of assault by intimates are officially reported to federal officials each year, the most conservative estimates indicate two to four million women of all races and classes are battered each year. At least 170,000 of those violent incidents are serious enough to require hospitalization, emergency room care or a doctor's attention.

SEXUAL ASSAULT :

Every year approximately 132,000 women report that they have been victims of rape or attempted rape, and more than half of them knew their attackers.
It's estimated that two to six times that many women are raped, but do not report it. Every year 1.2 million women are forcibly raped by their current or former male partners, some more than once.

SOURCES:
"Violence Against Women: A National Crime Victimization Survey Report", U.S. Department of Justice, Washington, D.C., January 1994.
"The National Women's Study," Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center, Medical University of South Carolina, Charleston, SC, 1992.
"Five Issues In American Health," American Medical Association,
Chicago, 1991.
Bullock, Linda F. and Judith McFarlane, "The Birth Weight/Battering Connection," Journal of American Nursing, September 1989.
McFarlane, Judith, et. al., "Assessing for Abuse During Pregnancy," Journal of the American Medical Association, June 17, 1992.
Federal Bureau of Investigation statistics, 1992.
Sheehan, Myra A. "An Interstate Compact on Domestic Violence: What are the Advantages?" Juvenile and Family Justice Today, 1993.
Sherman, Lawrence W. et al. Domestic Violence: Experiments and
Dilemmas, 1990.

FACTS ABOUT WOMEN'S ABUSE IN THE 'CIVILIZED' WEST :

* Domestic Violence accounts for a quarter of all reported violent
crime. [Working Party Report, Victim Support, 1992]
* Each year 100,000 women seek treatment in London for violent injuries caused in their homes.
[Punching Judy, BBC TV Documentary, 1989]
* Domestic Violence is not limited to physical assault. It includes
sexual abuse and mental cruelty which undermine a woman's self-esteem. [McGibbon and Kelly, "Abuse of Women in the Home", 1989]
* Research conducted by Police found that 2/3 of all men believed that they would respond violently to their partners in certain situations. [Islington council, 1994]
* Almost half of all murders of women are killings by current or former partners. [National Working Party Report on Domestic Violence, Victim Support, 1992]
From OASIS - "Opposing Abuse with Service, Information, and Shelter". You can visit their website: http://www.oasisinc.org/ Adapted from the American Bar Association.
Every day 4 women are **murdered** by their husbands, boyfriends, or ex-boyfriends after reported abuse.
An estimated 2 to 6 million women are battered annually in the USA.
Battering is the leading cause of injury to women between the ages of 15-44.
One out of four pregnant women are battered. The battering may start or excalate during pregnancy.
Medical expenses from Domestic Violence total at least $3 billion
annually and businesses lose another $100 million in sick leave, absenteeism and productivity.

Every Day four women are murdered by their husbands, boyfriends, or ex-boyfriends after reported abuse.

30% of High School students have experienced physical or sexual
violence in dating relationships. 37% of Men and 35% of Women have inflicted some form of physical aggression on their dating partners.

95% of violent crime on Campus is alcohol or drug related.
37% of the assailants and 55% of victims of rape had used alcohol or other drugs.

There were approximently 4.5 million violent crimes against women in 1992 and 1993. (The Justice Department recognizes that this is an under-estimation of domestic violence and violence against women).
(Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey).
50% of all women will be involved in some type of abusive relationship in their life time. We could be talking about your daughters, your mothers, your wives, your girlfriends.
In 95% of VIOLENT CRIMES on campuses, ALCOHOL OR DRUGS WERE A FACTOR.

For every 1 rape that IS reported, 10 are NOT reported.

By the most conservative estimate, each year 1 million women suffer nonfatal violence by an intimate. (Bureau of Justice Statistics Special Report: Violence Against Women: Estimates from the Redesigned Survey (NCJ-154348), August 1995, p. 3.)
Other estimates suggest that 4 million American women experience a serious assault by an intimate partner during an average 12-month period.
(American Psychl. Ass’n. Violence and the Family: Report of the American Psychological Association Presidential Task Force on Violence and the Family (1996), p. 10.)

And many more SICKNING STATS ABOUT YOUR 'FREE CIVILIZED' SOCIETY AND HOW YOU TREAT WOMEN......GO FIX YOUR OWN HOUSE BEFORE YOU THROW STONES AT OTHERS.
 
Re: Re: Rape Victims are "Criminals" According to Islam

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
What a joke, an obscure site from geocities is your reference !!

If you had bothered to look, this article was taken from the NY Times, for which a link was provided. I followed the link before posting, but in order to see a portion of the original article, I had to sign up for a FREE account with the NY Times. Did you do the same before launching into your diatribe against me?

You have completely failed to address the issue at hand, PS. Why is it next to impossible to prosecute a rapist in some Muslim countries? Apparently, a hundred women could witness the rape, but their word would count for absolutely nothing if there were not at least four Muslim men of upstanding character present as well. :rolleyes:

Whether or not this is actually supported in the Quran is somewhat beside the point. This is how the Quran's proscription against adultery has been interpreted and made law in at least some Muslim countries (Pakistan being one of them). The result of this is that women are punished for being raped, while their rapists go free. Do you not find this disturbing?
 
Re: Re: Rape Victims are "Criminals" According to Islam

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
It is really amusing to see patheric ignorants and islamophobes coming here spitting their vomit under the disguise of rational debate !! it is really sickning.

Women are not considered inferior according to Islam, before you through accusations, you have to be BRAVE enough to back them up with proofs from the Quran, but since you are patheic LIAR and HATER, nothing of that sort is expected from you.
I do not see any venom in Nehushtas question. People can only comment and ask questions based on the knowledge the individuals has. Why can't you answer these kind of questions without being so volatile.

Name me one American president or even vice-president who happend to be woman ??????????????????
I can't name a female President, but have you ever heard of the Queen of England, or remember the "Iron Lady" Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

What is your point here?

GO FIX YOUR OWN HOUSE BEFORE YOU THROW STONES AT OTHERS.
I am curious to hear how you explain the following:

Stoning and Prophet Muhammad

The Qur'an (24:2) only stipulates 100 lashes and exile for a year for adultery. However, Prophet Muhammad stoned a number of men and women and so this punishment (Rajam) is Sharia, Islamic Law.

Muslim 680 The Prophet said: "When an unmarried couple fornicate they should receive one hundred lashes and banishment for one year. In the cases of a married male committing adultery with a married female, they shall receive one hundred lashes and be stoned to death. If one of the pair is unmarried, one hundred lashes and exile for a year.

Muslim 682 The Prophet said: "Do not stone the adulteress who is pregnant until she has had her child." After the birth, she was put in a ditch up to her chest and the Prophet commanded them to stone her. Khalid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and he cursed her. The gentle Prophet prayed over her and she was buried.

Hadith Malik 493:1520 Ma'iz bin Malik came to Abu Bakr and said: "I am a base fellow for I have committed adultery."
Abu Bakr replied: "Repent before the Lord and tell no one else." The man still felt guilty and went to Umar who gave him the same re-ply. Still feeling guilty he went to the Prophet who asked him if he was ill or mad, married or single. On hearing that Ma'iz was healthy and married, The Prophet ordered him to be stoned to death.

Hadith Malik 493:1524 The Prophet was told: "My son was employed with this man; he committed adultery with his wife. I gave him 100 sheep and a slave girl in compensation." The Prophet said: "Take back your sheep and your slave girl. Your son will receive 100 lashes and a year in exile. As the adultress has confessed she will be stoned."

Bukhari 8:82:816 Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the verses of the Rajam in the Holy Book and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."

"The Life of Muhammad": "To test Muhammad, the rabbis sent to him a married man and a married Jewish woman who had committed adultery together. The Holy Prophet ordered the pair to be stoned. The man bent over his mistress to protect her from the stones, but they were both killed".

Prophet Muhammad had no need for women on the side. Allah gave him dispensation to have as many wives as he wished. (Ten at one time.) Also he could take non-Muslim women as slave girls or concubines.
 
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nehushta

you equate Pakistani laws/implementation with Islamic principle. You cannot differentiate the two, you trawl up some report from some backwater in Pakstan, then hold it up as evidence against Islam.
 
Re: nehushta

Originally posted by Wraith
you equate Pakistani laws/implementation with Islamic principle. You cannot differentiate the two, you trawl up some report from some backwater in Pakstan, then hold it up as evidence against Islam.

And where is the Muslim outcry against these horrific abuses that are still being perpetuated against women in the name of Islam, whether it be in this "backwater in Pakistan," or anywhere else in the world?
 
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Originally posted by Nehushta
If you had bothered to look, this article was taken from the NY Times, for which a link was provided. I followed the link before posting, but in order to see a portion of the original article, I had to sign up for a FREE account with the NY Times. Did you do the same before launchinginto your diatribe against me?

As if NEW YORK TIMES a credible source of information !!

:rolleyes:

You have completely failed to address the issue at hand, PS. Why is it next to impossible to prosecute a rapist in some Muslim countries? Apparently, a hundred women could witness the rape, but their word would count for absolutely nothing if there were not at least four Muslim men of upstanding character present as well.

What about this ?

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/08/27/1030053058997.html

Whether or not this is actually supported in the Quran is somewhat beside the point. This is how the Quran's proscription against adultery has been interpreted and made law in at least some Muslim countries (Pakistan being one of them). The result of this is that women are punished for being raped, while their rapists go free. Do you not find this disturbing?

What I find disturbing is your ignorance about the Quran and its stand on the rape issues, I asked you to PROVE from the Quran that Islam punish the rape victims, but obivously, you failed to provide a SINGLE evidence or verse to support your allegation.

Can you please answer my points about the RAPE, THE MURDER AND THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF WOMEN IN YOUR 'FREE CIVILIZED' COUNTRY !!
 
she asked for it

in our supposedly enlightened cultures, the rape victim is often held responsible for the crime for the most outrageous reasons

do not pretend ignorance. it is not islam but a culture of worldwide fascist patriarchy aimed at keepin the bitches hot, horny, compliant and at fault if events spiral out of control.

i condemn all men!
 
Re: Re: Re: Rape Victims are "Criminals" According to Islam

Originally posted by Vienna

I can't name a female President, but have you ever heard of the Queen of England, or remember the "Iron Lady" Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

I did not know Queen Elizabeeth II was DEMOCRATICLY ELECTED !!!

:rolleyes:

I am curious to hear how you explain the following:

The Qur'an (24:2) only stipulates 100 lashes and exile for a year for adultery. However, Prophet Muhammad stoned a number of men and women and so this punishment (Rajam) is Sharia, Islamic Law.

This is the 24:2 :

'' The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allâh, if you believe in Allâh and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment.''

SO THIS VERSE ACTUALLY DESTROY YOUR LIES ABOUT STONNING OR PUNISHING WOMEN ONLY, BECAUSE THE ABOVE VERSE TALKS ABOUT THE WOMEN AND THE MEN EQUALLY...

Thanks for helping me by brining it up.

Muslim 680 The Prophet said: "When an unmarried couple fornicate they should receive one hundred lashes and banishment for one year. In the cases of a married male committing adultery with a married female, they shall receive one hundred lashes and be stoned to death. If one of the pair is unmarried, one hundred lashes and exile for a year.

I dont know if you really know what you are COPYING AND PASTING from hate sites, can you tell me who is Muslim and what 680 means ?????????????????????????????????

IDIOT.

:D
 
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Re: nehushta

Originally posted by Wraith
you equate Pakistani laws/implementation with Islamic principle. You cannot differentiate the two, you trawl up some report from some backwater in Pakstan, then hold it up as evidence against Islam.

Well said Wraith, those pathetic haters can do anything to bash Islam even if that meant questioning their own reason and logic.
 
Originally posted by spookz
for reasons unknown to me, i feel somewhat aroused:confused:

I know.....it must have been the SITE I posted the other day about pornography in the bible........remember ?

here is it again:

Genesis 19:31-38

lot_daughters.jpg


[31] And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
[32] Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
[33] And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
[34] And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our Father.
[35] And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
[36] Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
[37] And the firstborn bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.
[38] And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.

http://www.biblesexstories.com
 
Re: Re: nehushta

Originally posted by Nehushta
And where is the Muslim outcry against these horrific abuses that are still being perpetuated against women in the name of Islam, whether it be in this "backwater in Pakistan," or anywhere else in the world?

???? ermm well you certainly dont know about them.
I tell you what germaine friggin greer, why don't you concentrate on what's happening in your own backyard.

you have neither the desire nor the intention to find out what's happening in the muslim world.
 
Re: Re: nehushta

Originally posted by Nehushta
And where is the Muslim outcry against these horrific abuses that are still being perpetuated against women in the name of Islam, whether it be in this "backwater in Pakistan," or anywhere else in the world?

And who told you that these abuses are done by the name of Islam ?????????????????

Where is the AMERICAN outcry for the 4 AMERICAN WOMEN ** MURDERED** EVERY DAY AS A RESULT OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ????????????
 
LET US SEE HOW VIENNA'S WOMEN ARE TREATED IN ENGLAND ?

English Women are increasingly turning to serious and violent crimes because they have been brutalised by violence against them, according to a controversial report to be published this week.

Home Office figures last week showed the majority of female prisoners now reoffend within two years of being released, suggesting they are becoming more hardened criminals.

http://society.guardian.co.uk/crimeandpunishment/story/0,8150,1086316,00.html

ENGLISH RAPISTS GET 180 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE FOR THEIR CRIME !!! VERY CIVILIZED INDEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

STATISTICS
Rape is a common crime with a conviction rate of below 10% and sentences as low as 180 hours community service.

Between 1996 and 1997 the number of women reporting rape increased by over 500%. Yet convictions have remained almost static, meaning that whilst in 1977 1 in 3 women reporting rape saw their rapists convicted, in 1996 less than 1 in 10 did. The criminal justice system is currently failing women, not just those who report rape, but every woman, since the message being sent out is that rape is a low risk, high reward activity.

http://www.rapecrisis.co.uk/statistics.htm
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Rape Victims are "Criminals" According to Islam

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
As if NEW YORK TIMES a credible source of information !!

Apparently the only credible source of information would be an Islamic one. :rolleyes:


What about it? It says the man who was convicted of raping a 9-year old girl was sentenced to death by stoning. On the other hand, it says a 30-year old woman who had a child out of wedlock was also sentenced to death by stoning. How inspiring. :rolleyes:

What I find disturbing is your ignorance about the Quran and its stand on the rape issues, I asked you to PROVE from the Quran that Islam punish the rape victims, but obivously, you failed to provide a SINGLE evidence or verse to support your allegation.

From what I can tell, the Quran is virtually silent on the subject of rape. It does address the issue of forcing girls into prostitution, but to the best of my knowledge, that's about as far as it goes (I would be happy if you could show me otherwise, so please feel free to do so, if you can). Of course, that brings to mind the question of why the Quran would be silent on this issue?

Can you please answer my points about the RAPE, THE MURDER AND THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF WOMEN IN YOUR 'FREE CIVILIZED' COUNTRY !!

This goes on in every country, PS. The test of a civilized country is whether or not the right person is prosecuted and punished for it when charges are brought - i.e., is it the perpetrator or his victim? Should we apply this test to the U.S. versus Islamic countries, PS? Which do you think would fare better?
 
Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
STATISTICS
Rape is a common crime with a conviction rate of below 10% and sentences as low as 180 hours community service.

Between 1996 and 1997 the number of women reporting rape increased by over 500%. Yet convictions have remained almost static, meaning that whilst in 1977 1 in 3 women reporting rape saw their rapists convicted, in 1996 less than 1 in 10 did. The criminal justice system is currently failing women, not just those who report rape, but every woman, since the message being sent out is that rape is a low risk, high reward activity.

http://www.rapecrisis.co.uk/statistics.htm

Apparently I missed the part where English women are being stoned to death for reporting a rape and failing to prove it. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Wraith
doesn't it just. Exactly.

haven't you got some bra burning to do?

My point, which you apparently missed, was that in civilized countries, it is the rapist who is tried and, if found guilty, punished. The victim is never sentenced to death for failing to prove rape! Furthermore, she is not required to produce four male witnesses in order to prove rape!
 
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