i don't know if they're really forcing anyone
You don't have kids?
so i guess they can't help it
So it is being forced, as I said.
i don't know if they're really forcing anyone
so i guess they can't help it
SnakeLord said:So it is being forced, as I said.
Wow - but then again I read lots of books in my youth about the Gods of Greece and Rome - all the favourites - Mars, Jupiter, Juno, Neptune etc. Zeus, Poseidon, Hades etc.John Mark E said:1: archeological discoveries mentioning visiting Joseph in Egypt during a famine, since they were the only source of food...Professor Niebuhr's "Voyage en Arabie"
2: King Nebuchadnezzar's inscription found by Professor Oppert at a site known as Barzippa, 'tongue-tower', otherwise known as the Tower of Babel
3: Moses and Joseph both mentioned in the historical writings of the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, in his book Josephus Against Apion
4: Merenptah-the Egyptian Pharoah was originally discovered in 1898 by French archeologist Victor Loret. The medical examination was only completed in 1975. Due to the examination showing his death by rapid drowning and removal from the water, along with other study gave grounds for the most notable Egyptologist, Sir Flinders Petrie, to conclude that Pharaoh Merenptah was the pharaoh of the book of Exodus.
5: Numerous "seals" have been unearthed in different digs which were directly associated with different historical figures mentioned in the Bible. Among these: Baruch, son of Neriah, friend and scribe for the prophet Jeremiah; Shema, servant of Jeroboam; Abdi, the high official of King Hosea, the last king of the northern kingdom of Israel, before it was conquered by the Assyrian Empire in 721BC.
Just as science progresses, so does religion. We have come a long way from the belief in earth, air, fire and water as elements, or in alchemy, or phlogison theory, or Lemarkian inheretance of acquired characteristics. So it is in religion.Sarkus said:Wow - but then again I read lots of books in my youth about the Gods of Greece and Rome - all the favourites - Mars, Jupiter, Juno, Neptune etc. Zeus, Poseidon, Hades etc.
All those books referenced REAL people (Odysseus / Ulysses, Julius Ceasar, Paris, Nero, etc) and REAL places (Rome, Troy, Sparta, Gaul, Britain etc).
Are we therefore to believe, based on this type of evidence, that the Roman Gods were also REAL???
Even the Ancient Greeks may have appreciated the difference. The "divine light" that Plato speaks of e.g. in the cave analogy is nothing to do with the greek gods of the time, but was very much the "universal author of all things beautiful and right".EXODUS 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Book VII of Plato's RepublicBut, whether true or false, my opinion is that in the world of knowledge the idea of good appears last of all, and is seen only with an effort; and, when seen, is also inferred to be the universal author of all things beautiful and right, parent of light and of the lord of light in this visible world, and the immediate source of reason and truth in the intellectual; and that this is the power upon which he who would act rationally, either in public or private life must have his eye fixed.
Rubbish - religion just moves from one unsubstantiated belief to another, taking on board the scientific progress made in the intervening period.Diogenes' Dog said:Just as science progresses, so does religion.
And now the Bible has done it with just one deity - but is as equally unsubstantiated. Many Gods / One God - it makes no difference.Diogenes' Dog said:Ancient cultures believed in many gods who were very like us, and around whom stories could be woven which contained important psychological truths e.g. Pandora's box about love, Sisyphus about repetitive struggle etc.
Convenient - that when faced with the "burden of proof" that increasing numbers of people are requiring of religion, religion heads to the "beyond description", the "beyond understanding", and thus hammers the nail of irrationality into itself.Diogenes' Dog said:However, the "One True God" as spoken of in the OT (and NT) is a quantum leap beyond these human like gods in being beyond description, or understanding. This God can only be 'known', as a person is known. Indeed this God is not a seperate being, but IS being.
You also misunderstand Plato.Diogenes' Dog said:Book VII of Plato's Republic
But, whether true or false, my opinion is that in the world of knowledge the idea of good appears last of all, and is seen only with an effort; and, when seen, is also inferred to be the universal author of all things beautiful and right, parent of light and of the lord of light in this visible world, and the immediate source of reason and truth in the intellectual; and that this is the power upon which he who would act rationally, either in public or private life must have his eye fixed.
Diogenes' Dog said:Just as science progresses, so does religion. We have come a long way from the belief in earth, air, fire and water as elements, or in alchemy, or phlogison theory, or Lemarkian inheretance of acquired characteristics. So it is in religion.
Ancient cultures believed in many gods who were very like us, and around whom stories could be woven which contained important psychological truths e.g. Pandora's box about love, Sisyphus about repetitive struggle etc.
However, the "One True God" as spoken of in the OT (and NT) is a quantum leap beyond these human like gods in being beyond description, or understanding. This God can only be 'known', as a person is known. Indeed this God is not a seperate being, but IS being. "I am that I am"
hehe, "quantum leap" - you realize that would mean the smallest leap one could possibly measure.
Because the moon could possibly have been seen as the lord of the night, while the sun is lord of the day.John Mark E said:If the Israelites based their monotheistic God on the Sun, why would they have used a lunar calendar?
dansufc said:any religion i dont care which just prove to me that your god is real! thanks in advance
what evidence did it give you, can I see it too, can it effect my senses. hell we all like to see, we'd all be converts.ghost7584 said:He proved it to me after I requested evidence to know and not just believe.
There is only one true God, the God of Israel
Ask God, in an honest heart, to prove it to you
the preacher said:what evidence did it give you, can I see it too, can it effect my senses. hell we all like to see, we'd all be converts.