Thus a consciousness created by the brain would be natural.
That's what you should have said, to keep in line with your persona.
By who?
By everyone?
Obviously not. This is why it is good to have discussions.
Or are you speaking speaking from a Hindu perspective, perhaps?
Hindu perspective?
What made you specifically ask that?
The soul is considered by many to be not "pure consciousness" but the essence of the person, including consciousness but also including reason, character, memory etc.
The element that draws literally all perspectives, including memory, character.. etc, is consciousness. One can have no memory, very little character, be unreasonable, lack reason, logic, intelligence, etc, but they still have consciousness. Without consciousness, there is nothing (not Lawrence Krause nothing, real nothing). So it's reasonable to assume that the soul is pure consciousness, as it has no thing to contaminate it.
It is a fact that I am not aware of any evidence for a soul
Then you should state that. Otherwise it sounds as though it is an actual fact, rather than your personal belief or preference.
The implications you see can only be achieved through fallacious reasoning.
I don't think so Baldeee.
But I know that excuse is your last place of refuge.
If you can show these so-called fallacies I commit, then I'll happily retract that statement.
Scripture is only deemed as such by a religion.
What about historians, scientists, artists, people who interested in antiquities, etc....?
To refer to scripture is to refer to those religions that deem it such.
That's not really true Baldeee. For one start, I'm referring to scripture, and I am not using it in any religious way. As you said, different religions view the soul according to their comprehension, not due to the scripture.
In Genesis, as you well know, Adams body was life-less (dead) until life was breathed into the nostrils, then Adam's body became a living soul. That should tell one that consciousness is due to the presence of the soul, but yet it doesn't with some religions that use the Bible as a source. Some Hindus do not accept that the soul is pure consciousness. Some don't even believe in God, and are staunch atheists, even though their scriptures inform them differently.
No, Jan, the issue of whether the soul actually exists or not, the issue of evidence etc.
No it's not. The issue is what are the properties of the soul.
If you don't believe the soul exists, then at least you can presume it does.
So you are capable of holding a discussion on the soul without any recourse to religious teachings, notions or scriptures?
Seriously?
Religions also use scriptures as a recourse to help then understand what the scriptures teach about the soul.
So to put scriptures on the same level as religion is a misunderstanding.
Where do you think most views of the soul come from, Jan?
I would say scriptures.
And you do know this is the Religion sub-forum, right?
Sure, there are secular views of the soul, but religion has the most to say about it.
I am aware of your first point. Are you?
Which religions has the most to say about it?
I am not the one claiming the soul to exist.
No one else is either.
It is not for me to provide facts that there is no evidence.
You can't provide any facts.
It is for those claiming something to exist to provide the support/evidence for it.
You really should understand this by now.
I do. You were the one claiming the fact of the non-existence of the soul.
jan.