You confuse "assumption" with "conclusion".It is, if you assume that consciousness comes from the brain, and the only reason for this assumption is due to the fact that you cannot see the soul.
The conclusion is that consciousness comes from the brain, due to the fact that ther has been no evidence for the soul.
In my case that conclusion is not one to beliieve in but merely the conclusion one reaches for practical purposes.
Your response is mistaken through omission of what it logically implies.I told you what my response would be.
Unless you think my response is somehow mistaken, let's move on.
You fail to grasp, at least you respond in a manner that demonstrates a lack of grasping, that "not eating an apple" is not The same as "eating something that is not an apple".
Until you learn to accommodate in your responses the position of those that are simply "not eating", and address them accordingly, you are arguing on a mistaken assumption about their view.
To understand or even discuss the properties of something that is claimed to be real there must be some means of actually establishing those properties, so that they can be checked, verified etc.Then please explain how your line of enquiry, in particular your demand of evidence for the existence of the soul, is relevant to this thread?
In the absence of that, any discussion about the properties of a soul are simply discussions about a literary device, no more meaningful than discussing the magic of Harry Potter.
Thats because they are not claimed as existing, only as possibilities that seem to fit the evidence and the maths.I'm sure there has been discussions on Multiverses, where nobody saw the need to ask for evidence of such phenomena.
Such discussions are usefully about what is possible to know about them given the reality in which we live.
They also often drift into unsubstantiable wishful thinking.
You mean other than where the OP asks for responses from those that believe the soul to exist?Especially as the thread does not posit the actual existence of a soul. What is your problem?
The OP sets the case that some people do make such claims.
If you want to move the discussion away from being able to provide evidence, then we are simply discussing what has been written about the soul, and there should be nothing beyond that that implies actual existence.
Are you able to do that?
It was where the discussion had headed.That's fair enough. But why are you in this thread asking for evidence of something nobody has claimed to actually exist, as though you have a default, rational position.
We could, but the discussion had already moved on to matters of evidence.This thread asks, what the properties of the soul are. It does not assume that the soul actually exists, or not. From your perspective, you could still join in, without having to believe it exists. Just like we can discuss the Multiverses concept without having to believe.
???No it doesn't. That is non thinking, because you don't have to think, at all, to come that conclusion.
Maybe that is where you struggle, then, in over-thinking and missing the obvious.
Where have I said that the soul "therefore doesn't exist"?The soul, by definition, cannot be seen. Period. So looking for it would be silly. Claiming that it cannot be seen, therefore doesn't exist, is silly, or a convenient mechanism to ignore it. You seem to be displaying the latter.
This is simply your go-to claim about the agnostic position.
As said, it is tedious when that is all you ever come up with.
So you revert to semantics.I have never claimed that the soul exists, on this site. I always take the positive stance.
Apart from that, no one here has claimed that soul exists. They claim belief that soul exists. And they talk about the properties of the soul, they most probably do so based on literature.
Fair enough.
For the rest of us, if someone claims belief in something religious then they are claiming the reality of that thing.
So that we can be sure that any conclusion is truthful and meaningful, beyond simple opinion.Why do I need to? If believe that I am a essentially a spiritual being, why should I have to justify it?
In the absence of evidence, why believe anything as true.I don't see you justifying your non thinking position, other than reiterating a basic experience we all know. We can see that the Emporer isn't wearing any clothes.
If you consider this to be non-thinking then your mindset truly is alien to me.
Indeed.Your position requires nothing, other than to know that death is the end of that living being.
Anything else requires similar justification, which has not been provided with regard the soul.
And if in this matter you simply wish to discuss the magic of Harry Pottr, I'll leave you to it.
Far too much for my non-thinking ways.