Proof of the supernatural

[Kittamaru]

Is that what I said? I simply stated that calling someone's actions stupid is to call that person stupid. A claim isn't a conscious entity. It can't be stupid. Only the person making it can be stupid. Stupid is as stupid does.

That is exactly what you implied.

Again, by your logic: A claim isn't a conscious entity, thus it cannot be stupid.
Expanding on that "logical reasoning":
A theory/post/claim isn't a conscious entity, thus it cannot be racist/bad/disagreeable/or otherwise anything at all... thus, anyone claiming it is is claiming the person making it is.

As such, someone attacking your argument would, by your logic, be attacking you.

 

[Magical Realist]

That is exactly what you implied.

Again, by your logic: A claim isn't a conscious entity, thus it cannot be stupid.
Expanding on that "logical reasoning":
A theory/post/claim isn't a conscious entity, thus it cannot be racist/bad/disagreeable/or otherwise anything at all... thus, anyone claiming it is is claiming the person making it is.

As such, someone attacking your argument would, by your logic, be attacking you.

That's your inference, not mine. Stupid is as stupid does.

A theory/post/claim isn't a conscious entity, thus it cannot be racist/bad/disagreeable/

Racist? Not without entailing the person whose theory it is is racist. Bad? Nonconsious things can be bad. Disagreeable? No..only people can be disagreeable. Anything else you want to belabor here?

 

[Magical Realist]

You said it.

(See what I did there?)

Said what?

 

[Kittamaru]

That's your inference, not mine. Stupid is as stupid does.

No, it isn't... that is the logical understanding of what you said. It isn't an inference... it is what you implied with your words. It isn't my fault you can't seem to use English correctly...

By the way, as another example... - the phrase "Stupid is as stupid does" means, quite literally, that actions speak louder than words and appearances- in context from Forrest Gump (perhaps the singularly most well-known use of the phrase) it referred to how someone can appear to be ignorant or of a low IQ, and yet still be intelligent and do the right thing. It is a variant of an old adage "Handsome is as handsome does", meaning that true handsomeness (or beauty) has to do with someones behavior, not just a pretty face; in other words, a persons physical beauty can be marred by an ugly personality.

So, you are using yet ANOTHER phrase completely and utterly incorrectly...

 

[Magical Realist]

No, it isn't... that is the logical understanding of what you said. It isn't an inference... it is what you implied with your words. It isn't my fault you can't seem to use English correctly...

By the way, as another example... - the phrase "Stupid is as stupid does" means, quite literally, that actions speak louder than words and appearances- in context from Forrest Gump (perhaps the singularly most well-known use of the phrase) it referred to how someone can appear to be ignorant or of a low IQ, and yet still be intelligent and do the right thing. It is a variant of an old adage "Handsome is as handsome does", meaning that true handsomeness (or beauty) has to do with someones behavior, not just a pretty face; in other words, a persons physical beauty can be marred by an ugly personality.

So, you are using yet ANOTHER phrase completely and utterly incorrectly...

Right. Stupidity isn't in appearance, but in your actions. Hence making stupid claims means your stupid. Stupid is as stupid does.

Why are you riding my ass? Don't you ever work?

 

[Kittamaru]

Right. Stupidity isn't in appearance, but in your actions. Hence making stupid claims means your stupid. Stupid is as stupid does.

So then the only one calling you stupid... is you... by your own inference... does this mean you are going to report yourself for insulting yourself now?

Why are you riding my ass?

Primarily because I can't stand seeing such an open mockery of logic, science, and general human intellect go on unchallenged.

Don't you ever work?

I dare say that's none of your business To humor you though... yes, I do. If you are unable to determine any patterns in my availability, that is your problem, not mine

 

[Magical Realist]

So then the only one calling you stupid... is you... by your own inference... does this mean you are going to report yourself for insulting yourself now?

I didn't say my claim was stupid. Paddoboy did. Hence he called ME stupid. That's called flaming in case you forgot. Something you pretty much do to me constantly.

 

[Kittamaru]

I didn't say my claim was stupid. Paddoboy did. Hence he called ME stupid. That's called flaming in case you forgot. Something you pretty much do to me constantly.

Sorry, but in your own words: That's your inference, not mine. Just because you don't understand how debate and the English language works, doesn't mean someone is actually flaming you

Allow me to point something out to you... do you remember the rules you agreed to be bound to when you joined the site?

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[Magical Realist]

Sorry, but in your own words: That's your inference, not mine. Just because you don't understand how debate and the English language works, doesn't mean someone is actually flaming you

Allow me to point something out to you... do you remember the rules you agreed to be bound to when you joined the site?

Thanks for backing me up:

"Vigorous debate is expected, but we expect all participants to treat each other with courtesy and basic good manners, and to abide by reasonable standards of intellectual integrity and honesty.

Netiquette

• Abide by basic standards of good manners and courtesy. Remember the human who is reading your post.

• Do not engage in ad hominem attacks (i.e. attack the argument, not the person).

 

[Kittamaru]

Thanks for backing me up:

"Vigorous debate is expected, but we expect all participants to treat each other with courtesy and basic good manners, and to abide by reasonable standards of intellectual integrity and honesty.

Netiquette

• Abide by basic standards of good manners and courtesy. Remember the human who is reading your post.

• Do not engage in ad hominem attacks (i.e. attack the argument, not the person).

I see English is failing you yet again:

You claimed attacking the argument (ergo, calling it stupid) was attacking the person making the argument (thus somehow calling you stupid).

As the rules quite clearly define, there is a difference between attacking the ARGUMENT and attacking the PERSON.

Again, you are being INTENTIONALLY DISHONEST with this... I say that because I cannot honestly believe you would be unintelligent enough to NOT comprehend what is right in front of you.

 

[spidergoat]

6 men also heard that voice coming from inside the car. Extraordinary evidence indeed!

4 men. And they expected it to come from inside, but it could just as easily be someone from the road asking if they needed help.

By the way, eyewitness testimony is not considered reliable scientific evidence.

 

[billvon]

He said my claim was stupid, meaning I'm stupid for making it. Stupid is as stupid does.

Well, no. Some people make stupid claims because they enjoy the attention they get, or or they are trying to stir shit, or they are simply repeating a stupid claim that they have not thought about themselves. A good example is the "the Earth is closer to the Sun in the summer" meme, which some people just repeat without thinking. Are they stupid? Not unless they have thought it through and really believe it.

 

[Magical Realist]

I see English is failing you yet again:

You claimed attacking the argument (ergo, calling it stupid) was attacking the person making the argument (thus somehow calling you stupid).

LOL! Calling a claim "stupid" isn't attacking an argument. There is no argumentation involved there. When you attack an argument you logically take it apart. You don't insult it! Calling a claim stupid is thus simply calling the person who made the claim stupid. That's flaming and ad homing.

Again, you are being INTENTIONALLY DISHONEST with this... I say that because I cannot honestly believe you would be unintelligent enough to NOT comprehend what is right in front of you.

Again with the flaming ad homs. You just can't help yourself can you?

 

[Magical Realist]

Well, no. Some people make stupid claims because they enjoy the attention they get, or or they are trying to stir shit, or they are simply repeating a stupid claim that they have not thought about themselves. A good example is the "the Earth is closer to the Sun in the summer" meme, which some people just repeat without thinking. Are they stupid? Not unless they have thought it through and really believe it.

I don't believe there ARE stupid claims. I only believe there are erroneous or correct ones. Stupid is an insult to a person, or to their ACTION of claiming, not a designation of a kind of proposition.

 

[paddoboy]

He said my claim was stupid, meaning I'm stupid for making it. Stupid is as stupid does.

If the cap fits, wear it.

 

[paddoboy]

I didn't say I'm stupid. You did. YOU are devaluing ME. Why are you doing this? Is this thread about bashing me, or about proof of the supernatural?

There is no proof about the supernatural...Only examples of delusions, illusions and gullability.

 

[Magical Realist]

If the cap fits, wear it.

It's your insult. Own it.

 

[Kittamaru]

LOL! Calling a claim "stupid" isn't attacking an argument. There is no argumentation involved there. When you attack an argument you logically take it apart. You don't insult it! Calling a claim stupid is thus simply calling the person who made the claim stupid. That's flaming and ad homing.



Again with the flaming ad homs. You just can't help yourself can you?

ad hominem

adjective ad ho·mi·nem \(ˈ)ad-ˈhä-mə-ˌnem, -nəm\
Definition of AD HOMINEM
1: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

Per Merriam-Webster... I am neither appealing to feelings or prejudices, nor am I attacking your character - I made a claim (that you are being intentionally dishonest) based on what you have said. An observation of how one is behaving does not fit the character of ad hominem, especially when ones character is what is being discussed (that is, your tendency to obsfucate the facts with random bullshit rather than admit when you've been proven wrong)

 

[billvon]

I don't believe there ARE stupid claims.

Sure there are. "Summer happens when the Earth is closer to the Sun" is a stupid claim. "Light does not exist; darkness is a thing!" is a stupid claim.

Stupid is an insult to a person, or the ACTION of claiming, not a designation of a kind of proposition.

So you believe there are no stupid concepts in books, no stupid designs, no stupid jokes, no stupid movies?

Never mind - I know you like to redefine words when you are losing an argument, and are not above claiming that there are no stupid movies just to try to make a point.

 

[Magical Realist]

So you believe there are no stupid concepts in books, no stupid designs, no stupid jokes, no stupid movies?

Uh no..I don't. Stupid is an adjective 4 year olds use. Are we done here?