No, this clearly indicates that you're delusional and should seek help.
Proof of the existence of God
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The normal human mind is capable of hallucinations of this sort. Spellbound, why are you so quick to dismiss this overwhelmingly more logical explanation?
Write4U
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It seems more like a self-serving justification to me. It is a psychological state of mind, a form of self hypnosis, which does indeed work for many at an emotional level. God is an object of meditation, the various religions are the disciplines (forms) of meditation.
There is nothing wrong with that, unless you reach a false state of "enlightenment", where the person begins to feel "special in the eyes of God", so special that God gives permission to wage wars "in His name" to convert other people to their "True religion", i.e.. Zealotry.
To assume that man's special abilities gives him a special status "in the eyes of God" is pure hubris, self induced vanity.
As I submitted before, there are other animals which possess much greater mental abilities than man, the extend of which is completely unknown. Are these animals less special in the eyes of god?
We have just recently discovered a mental asset of the "mirror neural network". Not just in humans, but also in the Rhesus monkey which have demonstrated self-awareness, a clear sign of cognitive ability.
Is this ability restricted to just two species? IMO, presumptive hubris.
Dolphins have a brain equal to humans, and some remarkable abilities which far outstrip man's mental abilities. But because we have no way of probing their thought processes we assume that these abilities are just evolved specialized survival tools and they are not capable of abstract thought. Again, presumptive hubris.
Dolphins are water dwellers, man is a surface dweller. These are entirely different worlds and have no common associative references. But we know that dolphins communicate. What they communicate is beyond our ability to fathom. The same goes for whales. They navigate and communicate through sonar, something we can only do with sophisticated instruments.
Migrating birds, which are descendents from dinosaur, navigate by the earth's magnetic fields, something we can only do with sophisticated instruments.
The dinosaur ruled the earth for 165 million years. Were they special in the eyes of god? Apparently not, except for a few of the smaller species who adapted (evolved) to the post- cataclysmic conditions some 65 million years ago.
Thus, as atheist, my personal philosophy is that (in theist terms) all living things today are "special in the eyes of god" in one way or another, they survived the test of time and by extension must be favored in the eyes of god. I just call it Natural Selection, "luck of the draw".
But Theism has nothing to do with Science, by the simple fact that there are as many gods as there are theists, each god subjectively experienced by the believer. After 3000 years of study of the metaphysical aspects of the universe, there is no concensus of any kind, except some vague notion of a creative force, a sentient being which favors the believer.
IMO, presumptive hubris, a result of decision making in the direction of greatest satisfaction..
If God is a constant, why so many interpretations? Emotional Relativity? IOW, pure speculation without foundation other than that there was a beginning. But a beginning is not proof of a sentience. Presumptive hubris, IMHO.
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Write4U
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Please explain "overmind" and why it is different from non-sentient "universal physical laws of behavior"
Is the fractal function a sign of intelligent self-awareness or a mindless process of self duplication (iteration), which can spontaneously result in the most awe inspiring artistic expressions in nature?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal
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Is this thread ever going to go anywhere?
Nobody is going to start believing in magical sky fairies and people like Jan are consistently obnoxious with their circular logic, pathological avoidance of direct answers, and refusal to accept a lack of evidence to support their biases.
What actual purpose is this thread serving?
Nobody is going to start believing in magical sky fairies and people like Jan are consistently obnoxious with their circular logic, pathological avoidance of direct answers, and refusal to accept a lack of evidence to support their biases.
What actual purpose is this thread serving?
Evolution is a process designed to bring us all closer to God wheater we know it or not. Just like light moving backwards we all end up at the same point in the end of time which is also the beginning. Alpha and omega.
The future is nanoengineering...
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
Notwithstanding your previous post, you are right on this one. Are you well versed (knowledgeable) in this scientific discipline?
I'm not talking about beliefs, I'm talking about God.
The title of the thread is ''Proof of the existence of God'', not belief.
Do try and keep up.
jan.
This thread is doing nicely. We just need more time to irradicate the brainwashing regarding who and what God is, from the die hard explicit atheists (much like yourself).
I know it pains you to have to talk about God, outside of your world view, but trust me, you don't get converted, to believing in God, because you talk honestly about it. Wilful ignorance is a real and powerful state of mind, and you seem to be very adept in utilising it, along with some of your chums.
Do you accept that God (not gods), is defined as the original cause/creator, regardless of belief status?
jan.
It allows Jan to assert , but not prove, god is the creator of the universe - God not being otherwise defined.
It allows me and many others to state there is no content to his statement, except his faith / believe it is true. No evidence and it is a violation of known physics.
The basic premise of physic is that ALL physical events have physical causes - "Miracles," by definition, violate this premise.
Information exists otherwise mind could not exist. The relationship between our brains (a self-operating computer) and reality is recursive, otherwise reality could not generate a self-aware brain. Our individual minds exist at a point in spacetime and can influence reality when "entangled" with it. Hence reality is mind (computer, specifically quantum). Hence the universe is a mind (quantum computer). And just as our life flashes before our eyes before we die, the information within our brains and hearts doesn't just go "bye bye" due to the fact that we are determined to exist forever. How can it? It is reality.
This thread is also about there being no universal definition of god. There are as many definitions as there are cultures, probably as there are people.
In Decoding Reality, Vedral argues that we should regard the entire universe as a gigantic quantum computer. Wacky as that may sound, it is backed up by hard science. The laws of physics show that it is not only possible for electrons to store and flip bits: it is mandatory. For more than a decade, quantum-information scientists have been working to determine just how the universe processes information at the most microscopic scale.
https://www.newscientist.com/blogs/culturelab/2010/03/the-universe-is-a-quantum-computer.html
https://www.newscientist.com/blogs/culturelab/2010/03/the-universe-is-a-quantum-computer.html
I'm not talking about beliefs, I'm talking about God.
The title of the thread is ''Proof of the existence of God'', not belief.
Do try and keep up.
jan.
You are being arrogant in thinking that other cultures' version of god don't count. It's a version of the no true scotsman fallacy. You are saying that if they consider their king or emperor to be god, that isn't also a conception of god.