Pro-lifers, explain your perspective for me please

[wynn]

So nature is harsh and cruel by our moral standards.

Strange that you say that.

 

[wynn]

I think its the nature of needs and desire that they become more demanding or binding the closer they are situated next to one's sense of self. So if one has a sense of self that isn't remarkably distinct from say an animal ("I am this body and this body is me") you also won't find the necessary stamina to surmount the desire between the senses and the sense objects, even if there is a host of information available to the intelligence about how the desire harms others or even one's self

Then why are we discussing with such people?

 

[lightgigantic]

Well thanks... im proud to be labeled pro-life who is pro-choise.!!!

I dont have a prollem wit a fertalized egge bein aborted... do you.???

of course ..... since to designate life beginning at some stage after conception is simply political jargon

I also dont have a prollem wit the "life" bein aborted at 3 or 4 days after conception... do you.???

....I guess some people are more pro-life than others ..... much like some are much more pro-choice than others

After the cord is cut i thank the baby has a rite to live jus like any other person.!!!
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how magnanimous

“ I agree... pro-choise is the sinseable position.!!! ”

sin seeable, yes

Lots-A-luck wit that... lol...

thanks
in the meantime brace yourself for some dark times

i thank pitchers of babys... when they are old enuff to start lookin like little babys is mor effective to make aborton apear mor revoltin.!!!

testimony to the high grade of moral intellect driving our polished animal society

Are you comfortable wit bein labeled pro-life who is pro-choise.???

guess it depends what was pinned to the terms

 

[cluelusshusbund]

Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
Well thanks... im proud to be labeled pro-life who is pro-choise.!!!

I dont have a prollem wit a fertalized egge bein aborted... do you.??? ”

of course ..... since to designate life beginning at some stage after conception is simply political jargon

Yes it seems odd to me that som people who are agans "choise" try an rationalize the killin of a fertalized egge :shrug:

So do you thank the mornin after pill shoud be illegal.???


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“ I agree... pro-choise is the sinseable position.!!! ” ”

in the meantime brace yourself for some dark times

For esample.???
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“ i thank pitchers of babys... when they are old enuff to start lookin like little babys is mor effective to make aborton apear mor revoltin.!!! ”

testimony to the high grade of moral intellect driving our polished animal society

Well it is what it is.!!!

“ Are you comfortable wit bein labeled pro-life who is pro-choise.??? ”

guess it depends what was pinned to the terms

How bout this.???

Pro-life for you:::

You'r only oK wit abortin a baby if it threatins the womans life.!!!

Pro-choise for you:::

Its the sinseable position to leave the choise of whether to abort or not up to the woman.!!!

 

[lightgigantic]

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Yes it seems odd to me that som people who are agans "choise" try an rationalize the killin of a fertalized egge :shrug:

Its just the nature of seeing the window of opportunity closed ona situation that one has heralded from that makes one think more deeply on it

So do you thank the mornin after pill shoud be illegal.???

Once again it seems we are back to the topic of whether its sufficient to stop people doing stuff simply by making it illegal ... or whether it requires a bit of a social overhaul.

If you mean to ask do i think a person who uses the morning after pill is acting to their highest potential , then no.

For esample.???

a civilization that prioritizes crude sensual pleasure over taking the high road can't do the hard yards in times of calamity.

Kind of like when there is a black out or a natural disturbance like a flood that knocks the utilities of a city out for a few days, everyone goes berserk (rape, looting, etc)

Well it is what it is.!!!

yeah
low grade

“ Are you comfortable wit bein labeled pro-life who is pro-choise.??? ”

How bout this.???

Pro-life for you:::

You'r only oK wit abortin a baby if it threatins the womans life.!!!

ok with that

Pro-choise for you:::

Its the sinseable position to leave the choise of whether to abort or not up to the woman.!!!

not ok with that since being a woman doesn't automatically designate one with a sensible position

 

[lightgigantic]

Then why are we discussing with such people?

initiative begins at the point of ideas

 

[cluelusshusbund]

Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
Yes it seems odd to me that som people who are agans "choise" try an rationalize the killin of a fertalized egge ”

Its just the nature of seeing the window of opportunity closed ona situation that one has heralded from that makes one think more deeply on it

“ So do you thank the mornin after pill shoud be illegal.??? ”

Once again it seems we are back to the topic of whether its sufficient to stop people doing stuff simply by making it illegal ... or whether it requires a bit of a social overhaul.

oK... jus makin sure you'r pro-choise position allows the woman to choose to use the mornin after pill.!!!
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in the meantime brace yourself for some dark times

“ For esample.??? ”

a civilization that prioritizes crude sensual pleasure over taking the high road can't do the hard yards in times of calamity.

Kind of like when there is a black out or a natural disturbance like a flood that knocks the utilities of a city out for a few days, everyone goes berserk (rape, looting, etc)

Well... sensual pleasure an women bein allowed to choose aborton may or may not be the cause of darker days to com... but in ether case "we" still hold a pro-choise position.!!!

“ Pro-choise for you:::

Its the sinseable position to leave the choise of whether to abort or not up to the woman.!!! ”

not ok with that since being a woman doesn't automatically designate one with a sensible position

OOps... i may have spoke to soom... so who do you perfer the decision to abort be up to if not the woman.???

 

[Lori_7]

No not killing, its an interruption of the growth process. But we can call it killing if you like, I won't have a problem with that as its not a case for why a woman should continue with an unwanted pregnancy. When a mother dies due to child birth do you call the fetus a murderer?

no you don't because the fetus does not willingly make the decision to procure a "doctor", travel to a clinic, and pay good money to kill the mother. death during childbirth is not normal, and is caused by complications. a child is not a complication, it is a natural and expected result of sexual intercourse.

 

[visceral_instinct]

I think a child is a complication

 

[Lori_7]

I think a child is a complication

so is sex.

 

[visceral_instinct]

Nope. Sex is fun. Not a complication.

 

[Lori_7]

Nope. Sex is fun. Not a complication.

that's very naive.

 

[visceral_instinct]

Naive is not the same as wrong.

I don't want a child. My cat will do just fine. She doesn't cry in a horrid high pitched whine or need me to wipe her butt. And she's warm, furry, loyal, and has big cute eyes and cool motor skills.

 

[Lori_7]

Naive is not the same as wrong.

it's also not the same as denial, and often results in wrongdoings, like abortions for instance.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

no you don't because the fetus does not willingly make the decision to procure a "doctor", travel to a clinic, and pay good money to kill the mother. death during childbirth is not normal, and is caused by complications. a child is not a complication, it is a natural and expected result of sexual intercourse.

So what? Just because its a natural consequence doesn't mean one should not have an abortion if they so choose. Again its not an argument against abortion.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Strange that you say that.

Why is it a strange thing for me to say? Its a reality. Nature is both beautiful,plentiful, intelligent, destructive and it doesn't guarantee all life will survive on its own terms never mind what humans do. Humans are just as much a part of nature as anything else, we are governed by it and we also share its qualities.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Nor does your example with abortificient herbs in any way show that nature is in favor of killing.

Just like it is up tp the woman to take those herbs, it is up to the person to pick up those rocks.
The existence of those herbs or rocks per doesn't make or suggest a decision or what is right.

Show me how nature isn't in favor of killing? The natural environment is always going through the stage of birth, sustenance and death. Animals kill for a variety of reasons. Disease exists and kills, also a part of nature.

 

[Lori_7]

Show me how nature isn't in favor of killing? The natural environment is always going through the stage of birth, sustenance and death. Animals kill for a variety of reasons. Disease exists and kills, also a part of nature.

imo, the reasons are key.

the reason i had an abortion was because i didn't want to have to face the consequences of my irresponsibility.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

What people eat, drink, wear, drive etc. etc. is what they are doing with their bodies.

But you seem to think that only things such as smoking, body modification, abortion, are examples of what a person does with their body.


These things still need to be produced, packed, shipped and used - which causes pollution.


Both are example of the mentality "I can do with my body whatever I want."

By aborting, she is making the statement that it is allright to even kill those one doesn't like, all in the name of "I can do with my body whatever I want."

Numerical abortion statistics are usually public, so the general populace knows how many of their fellows have been killed in the name of "I can do with my body whatever I want."

This helps to create the perspective that human life is expendable.

Another example are capitalists demanding to have full freedom for firing their workers in the name of greater profit.

Do you not think that spreading such a mentality has something to do with the state of the world nowadays?

What people eat, drink and wear still doesn't link abortion to the destruction of the planet Signal. You fail to show this link so the argument about clothes and food is irrelevant in this argument.

And none of the above that you show has anything to do with 'what we do with our bodies' as much as lifestyle.

Women do not abort because they 'do not like' its has more to do with a woman not being ready or prepared for motherhood.

How many of their 'fellow's have been killed? What about concern for the living? What about quality of care for children that are living? What about quality of life for the living? All these are far more important than what was never born. If you were half as concerned for unwanted children and the horrific experiences they are forced to endure or the mother's who are ill equipped to deal with it then I would take you more seriously.

When we bring children into the world in which we cannot adequately care for we are treating them as expendable objects, something we can abuse.

Capitalists and workers is for another thread. It has nothing to do with this discussion.

Signal: Do you not think that spreading such a mentality has something to do with the state of the world nowadays?

In terms of abortion? No.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

imo, the reasons are key.

the reason i had an abortion was because i didn't want to have to face the consequences of my irresponsibility.

Well that was your decision.