Possibility of star formation around black holes

[river]

Explaining why you know nothing is beyond my abilities.

Explaining why you're wrong is trivial, and been done many times. Magnetic fields have nothing to do with the formation of BHs. That's exclusively the action of gravity.

of course magnetic fields have nothing to do with forming black-holes , but has nothing to do with our discussion

my point is , is this , since everything , including light , can not escape a black-hole , how is it that galactic jets can escape a black-hole

and before this , my contention , is that stars are made in the galactic core rather than being " sucked in " as it is contented . nothing as of yet has changed my mind about this

 

[krash661]

nothing as of yet has changed my mind about this

unfortunately,
it's insignificant and irrelevant to anything.

 

[river]

of course magnetic fields have nothing to do with forming black-holes , but has nothing to do with our discussion

my point is , is this , since everything , including light , can not escape a black-hole , how is it that galactic jets can escape a black-hole

and before this , my contention , is that stars are made in the galactic core rather than being " sucked in " as it is contented. is not true. they were rather being spewed out . nothing as of yet has changed my mind about this

unfortunately,
it's insignificant and irrelevant to anything.

wrong of course

the lack of reasonable and therefore logical response to my last post is telling

the contradiction of the black-hole theory , is in , perpetual contradiction

and that's the truth

 

[AlexG]

my point is , is this , since everything , including light , can not escape a black-hole , how is it that galactic jets can escape a black-hole

Because the jets do no originate IN the Black Hole, but just outside it, in the accretion disk.

 

[river]

my point is , is this , since everything , including light , can not escape a black-hole , how is it that galactic jets can escape a black-hole

Because the jets do no originate IN the Black Hole, but just outside it, in the accretion disk.

no these galactic jets arise from the poles of the galactic core

 

[Beaconator]

No, you are not listening. You never listen, for the reasons I have stated previously.

All BH's are destined to be Schwarzchild BH's.
In time both spin and charge are negated.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerr–Newman_metric


http://www.chaos.org.uk/~eddy/physics/Kerr-Newman.html

I'm thinking of something less temporal existing between where stars begin to form and time itself seems negligible... Implying spin and charge exist at the beginning of these jets made of radioactive plasma and other particles like hydrogen.

 

[Beaconator]

of course magnetic fields have nothing to do with forming black-holes , but has nothing to do with our discussion

my point is , is this , since everything , including light , can not escape a black-hole , how is it that galactic jets can escape a black-hole

and before this , my contention , is that stars are made in the galactic core rather than being " sucked in " as it is contented . nothing as of yet has changed my mind about this

Taking into account spin and charge jets have the ability to form outside the event horizon.

 

[Beaconator]

wrong of course

the lack of reasonable and therefore logical response to my last post is telling

the contradiction of the black-hole theory , is in , perpetual contradiction

and that's the truth

Contradiction philosophically has always not been truth itself but lead to truth, which would lead me to not only believe that black holes form from stars but stars form from black holes.

Maybe even micro black holes are always involved in the fission process. Fusion on the other hand has never been sustained because stars are constantly feeding off hydrogen emanating from black holes which do not produce jets into the accretion disk. This IMO is the only way black holes have not stopped the expansion of the universe.

 

[krash661]

wrong of course

the lack of reasonable and therefore logical response to my last post is telling

the contradiction of the black-hole theory , is in , perpetual contradiction

and that's the truth

amusing
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nothing as of yet has changed my mind about this

unfortunately,
it's incorrect, insignificant and irrelevant to anything.

 

[river]

Originally Posted by river View Post

wrong of course

the lack of reasonable and therefore logical response to my last post is telling

the contradiction of the black-hole theory , is in , perpetual contradiction

and that's the truth

amusing
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what is amusing ?

specifically

 

[AlexG]

no these galactic jets arise from the poles of the galactic core

I've got to say, your ignorance is astounding. Don't you even read the links YOU supply?

 

[river]

I've got to say, your ignorance is astounding. Don't you even read the links YOU supply?

your lack of reasoning and therefore the implied logic astounds me

the links tell me nothing , because they do not understand why a galactic black-hole would even produce , galactic jets

their theory is just that , a theory , nothing more nothing less and makes no sense

therefore a black-hole does not exist , physically and never will

 

[paddoboy]

their theory is just that , a theory , nothing more nothing less and makes no sense

It's only a theory ....The typical cry of Creationists, the anti establishment brigade, and of course silly conspiracy adherents.

If it had a magnetic field [charge] it maybe significant.
But you need to remember that gravity did cause the BH, which again you should already know but refuse to accept.
I would speculate though that a Kerr-Newman BH could only come about from a spinning star of the required mass.
I'm not sure it could be applied to SMBH's as such.

And of course, as already stated, spin and charge are negated over time.

therefore a black-hole does not exist , physically and never will

Well then you only have one problem, don't you?
You must conjur up some more of general nonsense you are known for to explain the effects we see.


In the mean time, as often as you feel like shouting from the roof tops about BH's not existing, you are in effect, affecting no one.
You see the learned mainstream established scientists, have more to do with their valuable time, then come to forums such as this, and listen to alternative cranks, on and in the only outlets that they have.
Sad.

 

[AlexG]

your lack of reasoning and therefore the implied logic astounds me

the links tell me nothing , because they do not understand why a galactic black-hole would even produce , galactic jets

their theory is just that , a theory , nothing more nothing less and makes no sense

therefore a black-hole does not exist , physically and never will

I find it hard to believe the stupidity of the above post, but then I consider the source, and it's believable.

 

[paddoboy]

no these galactic jets arise from the poles of the galactic core

No, wrong again. The galactic jets arise from accretion disks, that has matter spiralling inwards to the EH, but due to spin and charge/magnetic field lines, the in falling matter is twisted around, and thrown upwards and outwards at the polar regions.

Again rivers, you can keep ignoring the evidence as much as you like. It's not making any mark on the genuine data and evidence that infers what we see.

While I totally support thinking for ones self, in your case, while doing that, you ignore the mainstream data, for no other reason then its mainstream.
Hence your obvious apparent ignorance on the subject at hand.

 

[river]

No, wrong again. The galactic jets arise from accretion disks, that has matter spiralling inwards to the EH, but due to spin and charge/magnetic field lines, the in falling matter is twisted around, and thrown upwards and outwards at the polar regions.

Again rivers, you can keep ignoring the evidence as much as you like. It's not making any mark on the genuine data and evidence that infers what we see.

While I totally support thinking for ones self, in your case, while doing that, you ignore the mainstream data, for no other reason then its mainstream.
Hence your obvious apparent ignorance on the subject at hand.

there is no evidence , photographs etc.

that show that galactic jets are not from the polar points of the galactic core or the globular center of a galaxy or these jets do not happen at opposite points to each other , of any galaxy

 

[paddoboy]

there is no evidence , photographs etc.
that show that galactic jets are not from the polar points of the galactic core or the globular center of a galaxy or these jets do not happen at opposite points to each other , of any galaxy

You certainly are in denial.
Sad.

But carry on......we are used to your nonsense.

 

[paddoboy]

Contradiction philosophically has always not been truth itself but lead to truth, which would lead me to not only believe that black holes form from stars but stars form from black holes.

Maybe even micro black holes are always involved in the fission process. Fusion on the other hand has never been sustained because stars are constantly feeding off hydrogen emanating from black holes which do not produce jets into the accretion disk. This IMO is the only way black holes have not stopped the expansion of the universe.

I prefer to listen to Goldilocks and the three bears.

 

[AlexG]

there is no evidence , photographs etc.

that show that galactic jets are not from

farts by pink unicorns.

Everywhere there's a galactic jet, there's a supermassive black hole associated with it, and yes, there are photographs. Look at posts 455 and 457.

 

[river]

Everywhere there's a galactic jet, there's a supermassive black hole associated with it, and yes, there are photographs. Look at posts 455 and 457.

the point is , what causes , the jets , by this supposed , black-hole , is the question ?