Jan Ardena:
You're not saying anything you haven't said many times before.
It is not the case that atheists can't see God because they're atheist. Rather, atheists are atheist because they can't see God. You always get the causation backwards. It goes: no evidence for God --> atheist. It doesn't go: atheist --> can't see the evidence.
If it really did work the way you think it works, then nobody could ever "convert" from atheism to theism.
A colour blind from birth person could say the same thing about the explanations of the various colours.
We've been down this path before, too.
You know, your perception of a colour like "yellow" can be triggered in at least two ways. One way is to shine a single wavelength of light at you. Another way is to shine two different wavelengths of light at you, which you would identify as "red" and "green" if they were shone separately. The question then arises: what is this "yellow" thing we talk about? Dig down a bit and we discover that "yellow" is more or less an idea. Some people don't even recognise "yellow" as a separate colour (even with perfectly normal vision). Some don't have a separate word for "yellow". Nevertheless, everybody will agree that they perceive
something when they see a yellow light or a yellow object. And the odd case where all perception is absent is readily explainable (e.g. by the fact that the person's eyes don't work correctly).
With God, though, there's nothing that we can all agree about that establishes beyond doubt that there is
something that we can identify as God. All we can agree on is a concept. And you can offer no reason for why atheists are somehow blinded to seeing your God, other than the weak claim that they secretly
do see God, but are in denial for some unexplained reason.
I'm not trying to demonstrate God to atheists. That would be a pointless pursuit as they are in denial.
Next time, perhaps try replying to what I wrote, rather than to what you wish I'd written.
I've heard yours, and other atheists on this topic many times already, and there's no doubt what you think.
Then why do you persist in bringing the same tired topic up over and over again? You're not adding anything new. I'm not adding anything new. We both know each other's opinions.
For somebody who regularly proclaims that he is not trying to convince anybody of anything, you sure do go on about how atheists are blind, mistaken, and in denial, an awful lot. You know what I think? I think you're trying to convince yourself.
Yet there are atheists who realise theism, and non of them come by way of a suitable explanation.
They always come to it by there own understanding. That's how you're going to become theist. By yourself.
I would guess that most atheists who become theists start off uninterested in religion or by being brought up in a non-religious environment. Theists are mostly theists by upbringing. Occasionally, people who don't know much about religion suddenly discover it, either by themselves or through another person, and some of them go on to enthusiastically embrace it. Either way, I don't think anybody comes to theism without exposure to the ideas of one religious tradition or another.
Theists who "realise" atheism, on the other hand, tend to come to it after a process of investigation into the underlying assumptions of their religion, which usually go unquestioned in the religious traditions themselves. They discover that their own religion, and later other religions too, are built on uncertain foundations which are then assumed to be solid.
As for myself, I've already been a theist, as you know. Unless some extraordinary evidence comes to light at some stage, I'm very unlikely ever to embrace theism again.
You think like an atheist.
And you think like somebody who has certain difficulties that you barely recognise, such as an apparent lack of capacity to separating subjective experience from objective fact. I'm not sure whether that's a typical theist trait, or more you own particular brand of theism.
I've never said atheists are stupid.
Oh good.
Either God does not exist, or God has not be shown to exist, via science, or explanation.
What point do you have outside of that?
My main point has always been to question why you would believe in something on the basis of unreliable evidence, of the kind you rely on to bolster your devotion to your God.
Unfortunately, you seem largely unwilling to provide any insight into the answer to that question, reluctant as you are to share any of your religious experience with us here. Instead, you seem to want to spend most of your time making silly assertions about atheists.