People first, God second. Should people put themselves above God?

Saint said:
Prove to me you have mind.
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Well, for starters, we are able to read, parse and understand other posters well enough to give cogent responses directly addressing what was said.

So, by my simple response here, I have demonstrated a capacity beyond that which current bot technology is capable.

Now let's look at you. Your posts are both non sequitur (not logically following from anyone else's posts) and rhetorical (they don't engage in discussion - almost as if the responses will be meaningless to you anyway). These are characteristics of today's bots.

I have obliged. Now I challenge you.

Can you demonstrate that you are capable of reading, parsing and understanding posts well enough to rule out a bot as your nature?

Your next few posts will be illuminating.
 
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If you don't intend to take part in the discussion honestly, then don't take part at all. This kind of duplicitous trolling is strongly discouraged.
Saint said:
Prove to me you have mind.
Prove to me your mother is your mother.
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After you show how you can do so for yourself because I can think of no way in this venue to do so but if you are asking for it, you must have a way in mind, unless your just a bot.

Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am said:
... I can think of no way in this venue to do so
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I disagree. Bots are not yet capable of meaningfully interacting in a conversation about complex subjects. Simply participating in this thread, interacting directly to what others are saying, and refuting, challenging or building upon thoughts is a pretty good indication that one is a person with a mind.

I think it's fitting that Saint - the one contributor here who is not demonstrating an ability to meet those criteria - has opened this door.

But we'll see.
 
Kittamaru said:
GIA - I would strongly recommend you answer the challenge, or admit you cannot do so. You are not being cute or otherwise cunning with your current strategy - you are being a troll, and an obvious one at that.
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What?

The question of this thread is supposedly "Should people put themselves above God?"

Saint has apparently tried to take it off on a tangent about whether we can prove that we have minds, which is a completely different topic of discussion as far as I can see.

And you're taking GIA to task about failing to meet Saint's challenge?

*confused*
 
Kittamaru said:
GIA - I would strongly recommend you answer the challenge, or admit you cannot do so. You are not being cute or otherwise cunning with your current strategy - you are being a troll, and an obvious one at that.
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And that is how I grant your request to show that I am human. A troll is not a bot.

Now go away as you have the proof you need, --- by your own words.

Regards
DL
 
DaveC426913 said:
I disagree. Bots are not yet capable of meaningfully interacting in a conversation about complex subjects. Simply participating in this thread, interacting directly to what others are saying, and refuting, challenging or building upon thoughts is a pretty good indication that one is a person with a mind.

I think it's fitting that Saint - the one contributor here who is not demonstrating an ability to meet those criteria - has opened this door.

But we'll see.
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You are likely right but I am not sure how far they have taken the technology so cannot judge.

I have heard of some good progress in this area but have not bothered to find the sites that offer a challenge to see if the one replying is a bot or not.

I do agree that the ones I have seen are rather stupid and easy to spot though.

Regards
DL
 
James R said:
What?

The question of this thread is supposedly "Should people put themselves above God?"

Saint has apparently tried to take it off on a tangent about whether we can prove that we have minds, which is a completely different topic of discussion as far as I can see.

And you're taking GIA to task about failing to meet Saint's challenge?

*confused*
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In that case, I leave this thread in your capable hands.
 
Greatest I am said:
... I am not sure how far they have taken the technology so cannot judge.
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You can judge. The onus is not on you or I to determine how far the technology might have advanced.

As far as you or I are aware, no bot has the capability to engage in more than simple banter.

If someone wishes to assert that we are bots, the onus is on them to demonstrate that it's possible.


But that's not Saint's intent. Saint was simply hoping to use it as an insult, assuming it would somehow offend.

Instead, it has inspired an interesting discussion about the Turing test.
 
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In the end , despite all this ....

If Humanity does not put it self first , despite any god, then Humanity is doomed to have no control over its destiny .

And THAT is unacceptable . Bottom line .

Either we are slaves to other beings or we fight to be free of oppression by any metaphysical being and extraterrestrial being .

And when we gain our freedom , we act with intellect , respect for others , understanding but when necessary , strength of resolve to exist .
 
river said:
If Humanity does not put it self first , despite any god, then Humanity is doomed to have no control over its destiny .
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Well, if there were a god, then we have no control over our destiny anyway...

...except, I suppose, at its pleasure.


Which I guess is the ultimate doom of the believer. Believers take for granted that our fate is only ours as long as God lets it be.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Well, if there were a god, then we have no control over our destiny anyway...

...except, I suppose, at its pleasure.


Which I guess is the ultimate doom of the believer. Believers take for granted that our fate is only ours as long as God lets it be.
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As I said , put Humanity first .
 
The danger with people in believing in a god that is perfect, omniscient, and created all this, it gives manipulators the opportunity to take power speaking for god so essentially they end up controlling and ruling you but since they invoke this god's authority, you must accept whatever they dish out since god is perfect, omniscient so since they are speaking for god, they are right. Especially the part about believing this is all part of god's plan and this is some perfect creation induces victims to overlook oppression or not fight for their rights etc.
 
birch said:
The danger with people in believing in a god that is perfect, omniscient, and created all this, it gives manipulators the opportunity to take power speaking for god so essentially they end up controlling and ruling you but since they invoke this god's authority, you must accept whatever they dish out since god is perfect, omniscient so since they are speaking for god, they are right. Especially the part about believing this is all part of god's plan and this is some perfect creation induces victims to overlook oppression or not fight for their rights etc.
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One of the antidotes for this form of manipulaiton is to dispense with the mortal middlemen and follow God directly (whatever that means to you).

As one friend says "I'm pretty sure God can here me anywhere, not just in some building with tall spires and pretty windows."

As others of my friends say "I believe in God; I don't believe in religion."
 
DaveC426913 said:
One of the antidotes for this form of manipulaiton is to dispense with the mortal middlemen and follow God directly (whatever that means to you).

As one friend says "I'm pretty sure God can here me anywhere, not just in some building with tall spires and pretty windows."

As others of my friends say "I believe in God; I don't believe in religion."
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So what philosophy then do they follow ?
 
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