People are the most ill-equipped animals(for wilderness survival)

If you're talking about the ability of a dweller in modern civilization to survive if he were dropped off in a wilderness with no training, no physical conditioning and only Stone Age tools, that's a different issue.

I'm not sure how one could interpret the OP in any other way though.
Needless to say, I have been posting in this thread with this interpretation in mind.

The smarter man became the less fit (physically) they became. It was somewhat of a feedback loop in my opinion.
 
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....Which brings me back to Orly's remark. Orly, are you a resolute outdoors enthusiast? Have you bothered to learn how to hunt and fish? Could you build a trap to catch small mammals? Few of us Americans have.....

I've never killed an animal because I've never had to. But I can field dress just about any animal. I know how to find them. My brothers had a trapping line by the creek and fence line of our property. I could do it if I had to.
I am NOT a resolute outdoor enthusiast. I hate-detest-can't stand camping. I don't know why people like to pretend they are homeless. But I can do it. My Dad always worried that we might get lost while hunting, so he taught us accordingly. He even told us we could eat our hunting dogs if need be, which horrified us kids. As a parent, I can see it.

My mother in law knew which plants/roots you could eat. I know a few. I wish I knew more that had a bit of pain reliever in them.

And I think a lot of us here are selling ourselves short. It would be very rough at first, but I think most of us would survive. Except for Enmos, whose teeth have rotted while he wandered around looking for a grocery store, praying to the PETA gods.
 
I've always wondered why survivors of small plane crashes in remote areas don't set the plane on fire. They don't even do that on survival shows.
 
And I think a lot of us here are selling ourselves short. It would be very rough at first, but I think most of us would survive.
If I'd be whisked away from my laptop and dropped in the wilderness, I wouldn't stand a chance. I think the main issue would be time.

I'll need to feed and drink within a certain period of time, or I'll die. And I'll need to figure out an able defense against predators before they seek me out as prey, or I'll die. There isn't much margin for mistakes either. Eat the wrong bit of food, step on the wrong insect, I might get sick, and with no-one to care for me or hunt for me in my place, I'll probably die.

Sure, eventually, I will learn how to make elementary tools. But since I'd be alone, I can't learn by example. Rather, I'd have to learn by trial and error. Which takes a lot of time, which I wouldn't have, given my short term, but urgent, needs.
 
ok ok, you know how I would survive in nature? I would upload my mind into a computer, build a body for my self that could withstand external temperatures from -250C to 250C, atmospheres from 100 Bar to 0 Bar, gravities from 0-2000g, have enough fire power to level a small city, and be powered by some means that allows for decades of service or longer without refueling while providing enough energy on demand to leap building and crush cars with my bare giant grappling claws. Suck on that survivalists! While your trying to survive off of cooked squirrel in your hollowed out log, wearing leaves no less; I'll be worshiped (at least in japans) as some kind of mecha god and I'll walk the whole globe (including the bottom of the sea) finding people and other lower lifeforms who are in need of my awesome services, and than I crush them, because I have nothing better to do.
 
The smarter man became the less fit (physically) they became. It was somewhat of a feedback loop in my opinion.
Well duh. The less you rely on physical strength and coordination, the less effort you waste on cultivating it. But I don't think there's any evidence to suggest that today's humans are born with inferior physical fitness than our ancestors. Within my own lifetime, the U.S. staffed its war adventures by enforcing involuntary servitude. They drafted some remarkably out-of-shape guys, and turned them into soldiers who could pass the remarkably rigorous tests of basic training. Even today, if you took the average office worker and put him through a serious workout program at a fitness center, after a few months he'd be as sturdy as his Stone Age ancestors. And according to Orly he could also be taught to hunt his own food, although perhaps that requires more coordination and needs to be taught at a younger age.

But I think the watershed moment will be when the vegetarian movement gains more momentum. I'm a carnivore, yet I love animals and I recognize my own cognitive dissonance in sitting here typing with one in my lap while I just ate a different one for dinner. I think it's clear that the day will come when humans no longer kill animals for food. Perhaps by then we'll have Star Trek replicators that can make tissue that was never part of a living creature, or perhaps we'll be eating textured tofu and taking solace in the fact that chocolate is a vegetable.

Either way, at that point if the average human were stranded in the wilderness, perhaps he would rather die than commit what he regards as an immoral act: killing another animal to eat it. Unlike Orly's family, I don't think I could bring myself to eat one of my dogs. They're my family and I couldn't live with that memory so there'd be no point in extending my survival. If I killed myself, their scavenger instinct would kick in and they'd eat my corpse, and perhaps it would help them survive until they learned how to hunt squirrels.

If you want to talk about an animal who's lost his survival skills, it's the wolf population that separated off to become dogs. They're still the same species but a distinctly different subspecies, Canis lupus familiaris. And I'm not talking about a Maltese trying to find the nearest Starbucks; in a couple of generations they'd all hybridize back to the Ancestral Dog standard. But dogs have adapted to be scavengers around human habitation, not hunters or even carrion gleaners. Their brains are smaller than wolf brains so they don't require as much protein, and this decrease in IQ would work against their survivability. Their teeth have changed shape subtly so they're better for chewing up garbage than for ripping the flesh off a dead animal before the larger predators show up to pull rank. And their psychology has become more social; they form larger packs than wolves, which would probably not make for good hunting in today's wilderness.
 
As far as raw, physical talent, I would agree. However, our intelligence, which far surprasses the next most intelligent animal (the bonobo), more than makes up for any physical shortcoming we have compared to wildlife.

Even when humans get stranded in the wilderness with minimal tools/equipment, they often find ways to survive.

Whose intelligence? The average person? I don't think so.
Often people don't find ways to survive.

yes, i think it's fair to say that todays human is ill equipped.
on the other hand one of humanity's greatest "weapons" is their ingenuity.
a human, if adapted, will always out think an animal.
a human will always be able to fashion tools to kill.
an adapted human will always out maneuver and out think an animal.

No. Humans will not ALWAYS do so.
 
We are quite literally the greatest equipped animals for wilderness survival in the existance of the earth.

I mean what animal out there would be able to attack an abrams tank and win?

Nature decided instead of creating more muscles, more teeth, more claws, to create a brain, and that decision made us the top of the food tree.

There was a great quote that "when mother nature created the human mind, it wildly overshot it's mark."

Seriously, equip me with a humvee with a .50 cal, machine gun and i dare you to find another different animal to threaten me.

The fact is that it is our minds that got us as far as we have come.

Let's assume you're correct about you. Let's assume it applies to me. That says nothing about most humans.

Great example. You mean to ourselves, right ?

It would be funny to see the lot of you trying to make tools from scratch

I'd like to see that.

no I mean to everything.

and I could make tools if needed.
I dont hunt,fish,or spend time out in the wilderness, but I could if I had to.

Maybe so. Most people couldn't.
 
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It sounds like this discussion is not about the fitness of Homo sapiens as a species for wilderness survival. Our ancestors were so skilled at it that they actually began to modify the environment to suit them.

If you're talking about the ability of a dweller in modern civilization to survive if he were dropped off in a wilderness with no training, no physical conditioning and only Stone Age tools, that's a different issue. I don't know why anybody would care about that. We've spent the past eleven thousand years building a world that's more to our liking and we're very adept at flourishing in it.

That's easier said than done. I hope you don't ever have to test that hypothesis.

A world that could drastically change at any time, which the vast majority of modern humans are not prepared for.

Tho SOME could pass the test quite naturally.
 
Oh my..
You don't know me very well do you ? :D

Anyhow, what do you base that on ?

Reading both of your posts and seeing your answer to certain questions that arose over the years. No , I do not know you, I only base my assumption on what I have read written by you both here. :)
 
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