VRob said:
Then you must feel we have reached a pinnacle in our propulsion methods.
Far from it, but we have two problems here. One, distance, and to cover great distances, we need great speed. Great speed needs a lot of energy to get the object in motion, and again, lots to slow it. We can only travel at great speed where it is safe, ie, where there is very little dust and gas, as at speed, these would cause a lot of friction/damage. (Mr Anonymous and I had a discussion about this in another thread).
So far all we have are reaction engines. That's it. We can make different kinds, but that is it.
I still find it confusing how supposedly intelligent individuals continue to put our technological limitations on another race that may be millions of years more advanced than us.
Relativity would pose them the exact same problems as us. If they have conquered these limitations, they are far, far in advance of our technology, and then the supposed 'facts' of alien visitation and abduction just don't fit. They need to abduct humans to study us? They don't have decent remote sensing? They can't decode our DNA and study us from that? They anally probe people? They can't aneasthetise people adequately? They keep abducting the same person, over and over, as if they can learn more from them? Surely, their understanding of biology would be as advanced as their physics, and none of these things would be necessary to such an advanced race.
So believers impose technological restrictions on aliens too! They think aliens need invasive techniques, when we are trying to do that as little as possible using MRIs and keyhole surgery!
Sure, I understand that the idea that we can only use what we know here, but even WE are examining alternative methods of propulsion.
Propulsion isn't the answer, only warping space makes space travel really feasible. Even if you can travel quite quickly, (at a fraction of C using a propulsion system) it will take decades to get anywhere, lots of energy to get there, and when you get there, there might not be a life bearing planet. Assuming aliens are investigating the entire galaxy, how come they come to earth so often? Surely, they are sending probes to every star (100 billion ish) to look for life. That's a lot of probes. So for these guys to be coming as often as reported to earth, they must be local, have signalled back to home, to send more probes, or be able to just pop here on a whim, quickly. If they can do the latter, I really doubt they can't hide from radar, crash in the Desert, or mutilate cows. The facts just don't fit. The supposed evidence for aliens is convolved from disparate sources, into something that just doesn't fly.
Oh, I've sifted through the lies, and I'm very well aware of the damage it does to this subject. However, I'm not naive enough to assume one(or 10,000) deception eliminates ALL the evidence.
I agree, but when you have believers still clinging to things that have been proven false, it damages the field, and lessnes respectability, and most scientists won't go near the subject. A certain amount of house cleaning is needed, and believers need to start debunking, to be taken seriously.
Another thing I've observed with you, and others like yourself, are you don't attack the intrieging evidence. You go after the Woo-woo's.
I challenge people's beliefs, be they religious, or pseudoscientific. Many people believe without any evidence. I have an issue with that, yes.
the sheer volume of evidence screams out that there is something very real happening here.
No, this is where we really do disagree. There are lots of Christians and lots of Jews on the planet. Lots of volume, let's say. One side say Jesus was the messiah, other side don't agree. Volume on both sides, and disagreement. Volume means very little. If it did, you'd have to be a Buddhist, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Sikh, Hindu etc all at the same time, and every schizm of each!
But many like yourself will not accept anything short of proof. And if we had the proof, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I'd settle for some good evidence right now. Proof would be great, evidence would be nice.
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