Pakistan Christians must die

Please, you will find I have written many posts against the wars from BEFORE the Gods damn wars even started!

I have said time and again, the ONLY logical reason the USA is in Iraq is OIL.
O.I.L.
Which I think is dead wrong. I support the USA leaving. I support the USA getting off OIL.
I supported a limited invasion of Afghanistan to capture Bin Laden. 6 - 10 weeks. After Bush f*cked that all up (along with Cheney) I supported us getting the hell out. As a Citizen I voted Obama so that we would leave. But, unfortunately, now that the chokechain is on China, they aint letting go of the leash. So, I will vote for the next person who says we will leave.

It should be noted I started a thread on why Cheney should be indited and stand trial.



Next, Asguard, if you haven't noticed - what I am really attacking is the ideology. The ideology, you'll find, is the reason why these Muslim are concidered "Heroes and "Defenders of the Faith" for murdering that little girl. They burned her alive.

Did I say ALL muslims murder people? No.

But, why did these ones do it?

Do all WASPS murder blacks? No. But some do. And they do it because they were taught to hate Blacks. No other reason than that.


Where is the Xian parallel?
Simple, I started a thread on it. Do all Xians murder Muslims? No. But guess what. Many Xians teach their children that Muslims are worshiping a Book inspired by Satan (or at least a Devil). Once Xians believe this is the case, that information can be used to manipulate them. Once Xians think Muslims are going to burn in HELL it makes it easier to "Help" these poor backwards Muslims find Jesus by bombing the shit out of them. Which is exactly what happened. Of course the people manipulating them are interested in OIL. Remember, theists are simple and can easily be led around by the nose as soon as you tell them it's what Jesus would do.

Here the question isn't: What would Jesus do. It was: What would Mohammad do? Hence the Slave girl. Hence the murder of these little girls and the old man. It's really up to apologists like SAM to discredit the story. The first step is by admitting it was morally wrong. Then you can say Mohammad didn't do it. Just as I am saying it was morally wrong for the USA to invade Iraq. And then try to get us to leave by the vote.


I hope that makes a little more sense now,
M
 
How many people are you willing to see killed in a limited invasion?

What means would be most acceptable to you for killing them?
 
A single bullet shot from a predator into Bin Laden's head would have sufficed.


Now that I have directly answered your question I have two of my own.
(1)
Based on the information known, was it morally acceptable for Mohammad to command that both singing girls have their heads cut off?

(2)
Based on the information known, was it morally acceptable for Muslims to burn 4 girls and an old man alive in their homes for insulting the Qur'an?




Image if you rushed into a toilet in Pakistan with a bad case of Montezuma's Revenge. After blowing out the toilet you find there is no toilet paper?!? But you're in your suit, you're in a hurry, and you need to get to the hospital NOW or this child WILL die! (lets say you're the surgeon and you have ZERO time - the child will die if you are not there soon). Now, you do happen to have a Qur'an with you. You bought it cheap at the fair. So, you think, well, there's nothing else I can do, I can't walk around with diarrhea running down my leg. It's mine and it's just a silly book. Perfect for toilet paper. So, as you own it, you tear a couple of pages out and wipe your arse. Pakistani law legalizes your murder! Simply for using the Qur'an for toilet paper?!??!

Let me guess, this is also the fault of the USA?
 
So you would support shooting bin Laden in the head without due process.

Pakistanis don't use toilet paper
 
SAM
#1 and #2?


I am working with the knowledge that Bin Laden admitted to the crime. Shooting him in the head is to prevent him from killing more innocent people.
THAT SAID, if there is any ways possible of capturing him alive, and bringing him to trial. YES, I will without hesitation do that. Jail also works well for preventing people from killing people.

I would LOVE to see Bin Laden and Cheney share a cell together :D
 
But you support going into a foreign country with an army and shooting people without due process./
 
What singing girls. I don't believe in stories written 800 years after someone dies as fact.

Burning anyone to death for any reason is not acceptable.
 
S.A.M. said:
What singing girls. I don't believe in stories written 800 years after someone dies as fact.
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I don't seem to remember asking you if you believed the stories were true events. I asked you if the protagonist acted morally?

In the made-up story, did the protagonist act morally when he commanded that both singing girls have their heads chopped off for singing insults about him, as their Master commanded them?

Well? Did he or didn't he act morally? Geesh it's as fraken straightforward a question as one could wish for.

S.A.M. said:
Burning anyone to death for any reason is not acceptable.
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What about commanding the heads be chopped off a singing girl? Is that acceptable?
 
It's funny how some are trying to make a thread about intolerant Muslims in Pakistan into a thread about the US and Christians. Must be a special on red herrings today.
 
Michael said:
Image if you rushed into a toilet in Pakistan with a bad case of Montezuma's Revenge. After blowing out the toilet you find there is no toilet paper?!? But you're in your suit, you're in a hurry, and you need to get to the hospital NOW or this child WILL die! (lets say you're the surgeon and you have ZERO time - the child will die if you are not there soon). Now, you do happen to have a Qur'an with you. You bought it cheap at the fair. So, you think, well, there's nothing else I can do, I can't walk around with diarrhea running down my leg. It's mine and it's just a silly book. Perfect for toilet paper. So, as you own it, you tear a couple of pages out and wipe your arse. Pakistani law legalizes your murder! Simply for using the Qur'an for toilet paper?!??!

Let me guess, this is also the fault of the USA?
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The sick part is that there is no shortage of people in the world who would feel that death was perfectly justified for this.
 
What are some things we feel people should be put to death? Anything? Treason comes to mind. I suppose if we were to consider the political means by which THE Qur'an was used to maintain the statuesque, that is, to keep the rulers ruling the superstitious masses, well then, questioning the Qur'an very likely was considered treasonous.

Now consider this, since the USA invasion of Afghanistan many Pakistani have been trying to force the conversion of Xian Pakistani into Muslims. At the point of a sword (I know, one could hardly see THAT happening :bugeye:). They are probably seen as a 5th column.
Pakistan's small Christian minority has periodically been targeted since Pakistan became a US ally in the so-called War on Terror. In May 2007, Christians in the north-west of the country sought government protection following threats of bomb attacks if they did not become Muslims.
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In reality, they've been waiting for their chance to murder off these treasonous Xian heretics. The story about THE Qur'an was just thing needed to send the masses into a murdering frenzy.
 
Michael said:
I don't seem to remember asking you if you believed the stories were true events. I asked you if the protagonist acted morally?

In the made-up story, did the protagonist act morally when he commanded that both singing girls have their heads chopped off for singing insults about him, as their Master commanded them?

Well? Did he or didn't he act morally? Geesh it's as fraken straightforward a question as one could wish for.

What about commanding the heads be chopped off a singing girl? Is that acceptable?
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But we don't need hypotheticals. You already admitted you support going into someone elses country and shooting people in the head without due process. So clearly, hypothetical or not, killing anyone you consider offensive is perfectly acceptable. The entire US army is currently engaged in the enterprise, un-hypothetically. With real dead bodies that they do not even care to count, let alone name and submit to due process

Why obsess about hypotheticals when you support the murder of real people?
 
S.A.M. said:
I'm quite certain the Pakistani government will investigate this as a crime.
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Hehe. How much easier that would be if the police weren't usually complicit in these cases.

Ah, justice, justice. It's a double edged sword. Unless it's a scimitar.
 
Oh you've lived in Pakistan too? If the police, justice system and politicians were all complicit in murdering the minorities, then it wouldn't be Pakistan, it would be Israel/
 
@Mickael :
On page 1 Doreen gave an iteresting link for Brod blog . com whereas they talk about the warm relationship between Bin Laden, the Taliban and the US until 9/11 .
 
It sure didn't take long for Sam to derail this thread with her agenda. Nice work, Sam. Another thread killed in the name of ... ???
 
S.A.M. said:
But we don't need hypotheticals. You already admitted you support going into someone elses country and shooting people in the head without due process.
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No What I said was Bin Laden admitted to financing and organizing the attacks in NY and I support capturing him alive. However, if that is not an option, then yes, I think he should be shot in the head, to prevent further attacks against innocent people from being organizing by him.

What I find funny,
1) you still can not bring yourself to say it was wrong of the Protagonist to order the Murder of a little singing slave girl. That's really sad. You support her murder. You think people who made fun of Mohammad should have their heads chopped off, even if they were slaves only doing what they were told. This is the exact sort of mentality that lead to the violence against the poor Xians in Pakistan. People, similar to you, think it's OK to chop the heads off anyone who makes fun of the Qur'an.

2) you of course think it was A-OK for Mohammad to order an attack against the innocent polytheist Arabs. Your rational: (i) they were Arab, he was Arab, it's therefor OK for him to kill them :bugeye: (ii) they were heretical Polytheists!
Again, this line of reasoning is exactly why we see these poor Xians being murdered. This intolerance of anyone who is not Muslim. And really, that's what the story is about, little Mohammad refusing to set his dainty little foot into Mecca until his thugs had murdering off the last of Heretical polytheists.

What a philosopher and gentleman :bugeye:

3) Oh, you accept that the Xian Crusdaes were wrong. You think the USA invasions were wrong. But you're A-OK with the Muslim Crusades against the Persians. It's OK because they (i) stayed in their camps and terrorized the cities (ii) or I know, because they they didn't kill anyone - just handed out candy (iii) they didn't change the culture (even though they did) and on and on...

mike47 said:
@Mickael :
On page 1 Doreen gave an iteresting link for Brod blog . com whereas they talk about the warm relationship between Bin Laden, the Taliban and the US until 9/11 .
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Yes, I agree the USA probably did have connection with Bin Laden in one form or another. So what? Did people in the USA orchestrate 9/11? No. Don't be so naive', CT are bunk.


Take a look around the world.
China - Muslim separatists murder innocent Chinese people.
Indian - Pakistani Muslims walk all around Mumbai murdering innocent people. They even walked into a Hospital and shot women and children.
Thailand - Muslims chop off Buddhist monks head.
Russia - Muslims wire a pre-school full of CHILDREN murdering 100s.
Philippines - Muslim separatists murder innocent people.
Indonesia - Muslims murder Xians and OTHER Muslims of a different faith.

Pakistan - Muslims murder Xians and OTHER Muslims of a different faith.


it just goes on and on and on and on... WHY? Is it the USA? No, it's really VERY SIMPLE. The problem is Islam. It's an inherently intolerant cult that brings out the worst in that 3% of the most violent people.



Now, lets look around the World at the actions of the USA. Invade nations for OIL.
Iraq - invaded and murdered Iraqis for OIL.
Afghanistan - invaded for OIL and to control China.
Vietnam - invaded to control Communist China.
N Korea - invaded to control Communist China.
Japan - originally bombed to open the Island for commercial activity.

See how easy it is to spot these things? Fraken Damn Easy.



It's called objectivity.


Xians in Pakistan were murdered by Muslims for the exact same reasons Xians in Indonesia were murdered by Muslims - Islam.

Iraqis were murdered by USA troops for the exact same reasons Afghani were - OIL.


See how simple this is?
 
If you can justify shooting people in the head without due process, you really don't need to look far for how people can justify any violence/
 
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