Zappa said:
Explain how you can imagine/understand eternal, then. Negate my claim rather than just telling me I'm wrong.
Of course, you can't.
Was your ass-ertion indispensible to your argument or your ego? Do you, perhaps, refuse to posit sighted people because you recognize and fear your own blindness?
If you ass-erted that all humans have two eyes and I state that you are incorrect, as I have but 'one', my very existence refutes your wild ass-ertion.
You are a finite being with a mind thinking parallel to linear time plane. Can YOU imagine a system that is outside of the human capacity to imagine?
Who or what I am is beyond the ken of one, such as yourself, who doesn't even know who or what
he is.
Next, you seem to be using 'think' and 'imagine' interchangeably. They are not. If you can 'think' and have a working 'imagination', I should think that you would have known that.
Everything we do and percieve is predicated on cause and effect relationships.
This statement displays your ignorance, and the distance you have gotten stuck behind the front lines of modern thought. Quantum mechanics at any depth at all is not possible to form concepts and pictures. This is a completely new and foreign level of experience and turns 'classical' on its head. Cause and effect are outdated notions. A bit newer might be that the two 'events' (formerly mis-known as cause and effect) are different 'aspects' of the SAME event. Perspective.. All 'events existing simultaneously. 'Holistically', non-linear.
In one way, you are correct in that ordinary common 'thought' cannot function in this 'place'. Imagination can, intuition can. Even 'thought' processes can be 'retrained'.
Science has presented us with a brand new updated version of a 'world-view'. The problem with people are all those emotional needs and twists, psychological baggage, beliefs, insecurities, entrainment, ad nauseum.. come before simple readjustment of a now defunct world-view in favor of an up-dated model.
The price of our genius is madness!
Science progresses one death at a time...
Can YOU imagine a system where these relationships are not present?
Absolutely, but I didn't just walk in off the street here, and no one spoon fed it all to me.
If so, I'd be very interested.
No you wouldn't. Does integrity mean so little to you?
"The common mind reacts to a new idea as the body reacts to a new protein; it rejects it (automatically)!"
Perhaps the only thing that you would be 'interested' in is in attempting to bolster your pitiful ego by 'standing upon my ashes'.
You will fail; I leave no ashes.
As would the entire scientific community - you may very well be the 8th wonder of the world.
Or perhaps you need to lay off of the LSD.
Your sarcasm, juvenile; your insult, pathetic!
I will leave you with a quote that your response brings to mind;
The great Acarya Maitreya said:
says in his
Saptadasa-bhumi-sastra-yogacarya:
Before accepting a challenge for a
debate, one should consider whether his opponent is
a person worthy of carrying on debate through the
process of proposition (siddhanta), reason (hetu),
example (udaharana), etc. He should, before
proceeding there, consider whether the debate will
exercise any good influence on his opponent, the
umpire, and the audience. But first of all, he
should consider whether a debate - even won - would
not bring him more harm than benefit.
(To all, Apologies.. re: thread topic)