On atheists and freedom of belief
- Thread starter S.A.M.
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Beatings?
Extermination?
What about drugs? Are there any drugs that turn off that stuff?
What he said.
heh
what do we do here in sci, james?
debunk shit, right? offer alternatives? show the tards the error of their ways?
whats your paradigm? fanatical conviction or rational thought and nary an inch betwixt em?
i'll be damned!
bullshit
what the fuck does compulsory school attendance mean to you?
aint that when we beat fairies, santaclaus and god outta the cheeky wee monkeys?
Believe what you want. Keep it at home.
Don't extend your beliefs into the position in which you start making demands on society, like not paying taxes, forcing your beliefs into law, into politics, into government, into morals and ethics, etc. etc. etc.
In other words, keep your beliefs to yourself.
And first and foremost, don't indoctrinate your children as that is abuse. Teach them, instead.
Admittedly I haven't gone over the curriculum in quite a while but I don't personally remember anyone getting fairies, santa clauses or gods beaten out of them. My daughter has never believed in any of them but her 12 year old cousin, (who goes to school), still believes in some of them.
Maybe schools are different where you are?
yikes
why would you take that shit in a literal sense?
the underpinnings of any curriculum are anchored by logic and the application of the scientific method
one cannot maintain goblins and trolls if lessons are absorbed
mainstream education is about introducing concepts that are logically coherent
is it not?
why would you take that shit in a literal sense?
the underpinnings of any curriculum are anchored by logic and the application of the scientific method
one cannot maintain goblins and trolls if lessons are absorbed
mainstream education is about introducing concepts that are logically coherent
is it not?
SAM,
That the question is actually posed is really quite bizarre.
Exactly how would one attempt to deny freedom to believing something?
The best that could be achieved perhaps would be to prohibit people from expressing their beliefs in public, but I don’t see any practical way to prevent anyone from believing whatever they wish.
This seems also to imply that you think atheists would want to deny people the freedom to believe something. I find the question itself very revealing about you specifically, or perhaps the distorted indoctrination you have received regarding atheism.
That the question is actually posed is really quite bizarre.
Perhaps that should have been defined before the question was put.
Exactly how would one attempt to deny freedom to believing something?
The best that could be achieved perhaps would be to prohibit people from expressing their beliefs in public, but I don’t see any practical way to prevent anyone from believing whatever they wish.
Brain surgery, perhaps?
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
I agree with this.
You were all serious sounding. :shrug:
Education is there, (hopefully), to teach you what is. That does not stop or prevent people from believing in that which isn't:
Gallup showed that one third of Americans believe in astrology, upto one half believe in UFO's, over half believe in ESP, upto one half believe in ghosts, faith healing, communication with the dead and lucky numbers and there's a guy that lives in a caravan by Loch Ness having spent several decades looking for the monster therein.
The thing is, do any of us even remotely care about all this cuckoo land crap and those that believe in it? Nope. You know, every day of the week the newspapers print people's horoscopes, there's that idiot on TV with that Most Haunted, there's people "knocking on wood", hanging up horseshoes and all kinds of nonsense but it doesn't bother anyone in the slightest. Yes, it's dumb - but it's harmless.
Religion? Not so I'm afraid. It is shoved upon our children as matter of fact, there are people waving books in your face on the streetcorner, knocking on your door trying to sell you their brand of nonsense, they shove their beliefs into government, into science, into the workplace and into your home - hence my earlier statement.
nice
in that case, i think we have to differentiate b/w degrees of belief
i hold that the gallup poll is not indicative of strongly held beliefs
furthermore i hold that beliefs are premises that cannot be substantiated to a plausible degree ie: likelihood or probability
the examples cited are not equivalent. they have their individual probability equations.
the premise of each can be verified to a greater or lesser extent and that should be the defining factor as to whether the belief is justified or not
THE SANTA CLAUS GAMBIT: This trick consists of lumping moderate claims or propositions together with extreme ones. If you suggest, for example, that Sasquatch can't be completely ruled out from the available evidence,the skeptic will then facetiously suggest that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny can't be "completely" ruled out either.
a pox on gallup
in that case, i think we have to differentiate b/w degrees of belief
i hold that the gallup poll is not indicative of strongly held beliefs
furthermore i hold that beliefs are premises that cannot be substantiated to a plausible degree ie: likelihood or probability
the examples cited are not equivalent. they have their individual probability equations.
the premise of each can be verified to a greater or lesser extent and that should be the defining factor as to whether the belief is justified or not
THE SANTA CLAUS GAMBIT: This trick consists of lumping moderate claims or propositions together with extreme ones. If you suggest, for example, that Sasquatch can't be completely ruled out from the available evidence,the skeptic will then facetiously suggest that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny can't be "completely" ruled out either.
a pox on gallup
there are those whose job is to steer civs in benificial and productive ways.
we call em legislators and they have thinktanks that inform them of stuff.
humans from that vantage point are a resource. a commodity if you will.
a valuable one at that
lemme cut to the chase
rather than speaking in frikkin tongues, i'd prefer it if you build us a rocketship
so sorry
off to the frikkin gulag you go
we shall rewire your circuits
What possible difference does that make? I'm saying that any belief, (regardless to how strongly or weakly they believe it), is fine until it is shoved upon everyone else. Believe whatever crapola you want to - that is fine, (doesn't matter how strong). Leave the rest of us out of it.
My gallup statements were with relevance to the fact that the education system is not there to teach people not to believe what isn't - indeed people believe what isn't, (strongly and weakly), all the time regardless to having received an education. I'm sure you have several and you'll find most people you know will.
Your last two posts seemed to be meaningless waffling - as such I shall not respond to them.
Regards,
Simon Anders
Valued Senior Member
Ya liv in a dreemwirld ya madman.
dem bells are the core curriculum. Stand up, move, sit down.
Logic - me hav dem best public (US) educasion round
and
logic was few and far between.
Lists of assertions to be memorized.
Calculation tasks.
Threat.
Test.
begin at step one.
It is a measure of the indoctrination of schooling that you think they taught you logic. You must have stumbled on it elsewhere. Perhaps bully evasion or some other hands on skill building gave you the feel for it.
hmm
perhaps i do you a disservice by making untoward presumptions as to what forms the scenarios you envisage manifests itself
so please clarify ....how is it shoved upon everyone? what course of action do you then embark upon as a reaction to the imposition? if any that is