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you completely missed his point. israel on all its institutions, economy, government, industry, education etc. was constructed by jews while the arabs tried to exterminate them. now the same arabs and their descendants want to benefit from the fruits they tried to destroy. screw them.
 
Mr.Spock said:
you completely missed his point. israel on all its institutions, economy, government, industry, education etc. was constructed by jews while the arabs tried to exterminate them. now the same arabs and their descendants want to benefit from the fruits they tried to destroy. screw them.
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I own stock of Teva. I sure would not like to see the "arabs" claim that. Yes Jews, by and large, made Teva the world's greatest generic drug firm. I do not think I have ever heard any "arab" express the desire to take over Teva. All they seem to be asking for, ignoring the extremes that want to throw all Jews into the sea (and the Jews who want to “kill them all”) is to be paid for the houses and olive groves etc. that their grandfathers built and planted before there even was an Israel.

SUMMARY: You do have a good argument, but it applies both ways. Arabs have no right to take what Jews have built and Jews have no right to take what Arabs built. Both should pay for what they take. (or took in Israel's case). That is why repayment is step 1 of my defensive plan designed to avoid arabs killing any Jews. I think we are up to request number 18 now, in my repeated request for your to tell why not use it or something like it to try to protect all Jews, instead of continue with the 60 year failed "high-kill ratio" retaliation plan Israel follows that requires a few Jews are killed by Arab extremist annually for justification of the high-kill-ratio retaliation plan? That plan is hard to distinguish for a "slow extermination plan," like the nearly completed one Israel applied to the Negev Bedouins?
 
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Mr.Spock said:
you completely missed his point. israel on all its institutions, economy, government, industry, education etc. was constructed by jews while the arabs tried to exterminate them. now the same arabs and their descendants want to benefit from the fruits they tried to destroy. screw them.
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This is a very dangerous ideology. You are in essence denying any progress by the Palestinians and denying their rights to this land because you are too caught up in a superiority complex. Yet you forget that the Holy Land has been in the hands of the Hijazi Arabs, Palestinians, Egyptians, Kurds, Turks and that all of them build as much on this land if not more than the Jews, as a result of their absence. The Holy Land's progress and cultivation is the result of many people, and for the Jews to deny this right to all others, especially the Palestinians who are natives in the land, is extremely unjust.

Tell me, what is an Arab ethnically? How do you define, and how do Jews define it?
 
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The Jews that came, found No man land, with nothing there.
Its easy to know that because Israel is sacret for the Christians for the last 2000 years, so we have documented traveles logs for that time.

Only after the Jewish and British money came, and working hands were needed, arabs from all over came into Israel.

The Land was bulied by the Jews, in 1948 the arab ignored the UN and tried the kill all the jews. theres no reason what so ever thats israel today will the let the descendant of those arabs some parts of Israel.
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You still believing that old propaganda of the "empty land"? :rolleyes:
 
S.A.M. said:
You still believing that old propaganda of the "empty land"? :rolleyes:
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Why not?

I think the Crusaders were drunken cowards - They got down to disserted Jerusalem and got into drunken brawls among themselves (No one else living there at the time.) and when they returned to Europe, they made up all those stories about how they fought "fierce Arabs," who drove them from Jerusalem, before they could locate the cup they were sent down to recover. - They had to justify wasting all that money (They came back without the cup.) on a big trip to an unoccupied land.
 
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Billy T said:
Why not?

I think the Crusaders were drunken cowards - They got down to disserted Jerusalem and got into drunken brawls among themselves (No one less living there at the time.) and when they returned to Europe, they made up all those stories about how they fought "fierce Arabs." - They had to justify wasting all that money on a big trip to an unoccupied land.
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I thought they ate the Arabs?:D

Reports of cannibalism were recorded during the First Crusade, as Crusaders reportedly fed on the bodies of their dead opponents following the Siege of Ma'arrat al-Numan. Amin Maalouf also discusses further cannibalism incidents on the march to Jerusalem, and to the efforts made to delete mention of these from western history.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism
 
S.A.M. said:
I thought they ate the Arabs?:D...
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They did, but as the crusades were well funded (all Christian were taxed to support the efforts) they imported the best tasting ones from the slum of Turkey. There was no other option - not an Arab within 500 miles of disserted Jerusalem during at least the 300 years that there crusaders were looking for the cup.

You really should read up on this history. - There are good books now on sale in Tel-A-Vive that tell how fortunate it was that the area remained entirely unoccupied during the 2000 years of the Roman enforced Jewish dispersion. One I saw, but did not buy, has a photo of some un-leven bread still on the table that carbon dating shows is 2047 years old.
 
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Billy T said:
They did, but as the crusades were well funded (all Christian were taxed to support the efforts) they imported the best tasting ones from the slum of Turkey. There was no other option - not an Arab within 500 miles of disserted Jerusalem at during at least the 300 years that there crusaders were looking for the cup.

You really should read up on this history. - There are good books now on sale in Tel-A-Vive that tell how fortunate it was that the area remained entirely unoccupied during the 2000 years of the Roman enforced Jewish dispersion. One I saw, but did not buy, has a photo of some un-leven bread still on the table that carbon dating shows is 2047 years old.
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Oh awesome! Do give a reference!
 
Israel cuts off Palestinian tax funds as relations hit new low

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ax-funds-as-relations-hit-new-low-842092.html


And why are they doing this?

Israel has withheld part of its $75m (£38m) monthly tax revenue payment to the Palestinian Authority after a diplomatic offensive by the Prime Minister, Salam Fayyad, designed to stop the continued expansion of Jewish settlements.
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Hilarious. If you protest illegal construction and occupation expansion, you don't get your own money.

Not that you have many choices in this prison.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/w...em&ex=1212897600&en=d8a00a639eef396d&ei=5087
Senior Israeli officials said Thursday that they would no longer stop all Palestinians who had foreign study grants from leaving Gaza and would look favorably upon their applications for exit permits. The move departs from the near total Israeli ban on movement out of Gaza, the Hamas-controlled coastal strip, since late 2007.

The officials said the decision had been made by Defense Minister Ehud Barak in the aftermath of the embarrassing misunderstanding with the American State Department last week that resulted in the cancellation of Fulbright grants to Gaza and then a hurried reinstatement of them. The officials, from the Defense Ministry, spoke on the condition that they not be identified by name. “We are going to let out students, but in limited numbers,” one senior official said. “We’re not talking about hundreds.”
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Effing magnanimous of them.


Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told reporters on his plane bound for Israel on Thursday just prior to departure that "it would appear we are very close to a decisive crossroads in Gaza," intimating that a major military operation is in the offing.
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/990630.html

Another military action on an imprisoned defenceless people. Thats one way to take care of the demographic problem.

Who wants to bet that Israel will reinstate the Jewish settlements in Gaza?
 
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Happy days are here again (not that they ever left)

A group of Palestinian shepherds on Sunday said that six masked settlers attacked them with clubs and rods earlier in the evening near the West Bank settlement of Susya.

Four of the Palestinians were wounded in the incident, one of whom, a woman, was later taken unconscious to the Soroka medical center in Be'er Sheva for treatment. The three others were lightly wounded and received treatment at a hospital in Hebron.

The Palestinians told police that their assailants were settlers from Susya, which is located in the southern Hebron Hills.

The Civil Administration relayed that it is working to enable the entry of the wounded woman's family into Israel, despite the closure imposed on the region until the end of the Jewish festival of Shavuot.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/991150.html
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And they are building more illegal settlements, so Palestinians can look forward to being targeted by more idiot fundies.
 
you have proof they are settlers SAM? or you just as eager to blame settlers as you do with all israelis?
 
its not the first time arabs attacked arabs. settlers dont wear masks. you have no proof either way.
 
Like I said, its not the first time.

Masked Jewish settlers beat and injured Palestinian farmers in a field near the West Bank city of Nablus on Tuesday, Palestinian witnesses and doctors said.

The settlers sprayed four Palestinians who were planting wheat with pepper gas and then beat them with sticks, the witnesses said. Two were injured, one moderately, and treated at a local hospital, doctors said.

"They parked on the road and we thought they were just hiking but suddenly they put on masks and they sprayed me in my eyes and beat me and I couldn't see who it was," said farmer Hussein Asida, 46. A Palestinian youth, 15, was among those attacked, Asida said.

The Palestinians said the attackers spoke Hebrew among themselves. Settlers from the nearby illegal outpost of Havat Gilad have attacked Palestinian farmers in the past.
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/938238.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx0X1gycCGQ
 
linking to past references that are without proof wont prove this incident took place by settlers.

nice try though.
 
Mr.Spock said:
linking to past references that are without proof wont prove this incident took place by settlers.

nice try though.
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And still Israel continues to build more settlements, putting more Jewish civilians on Palestinian land, cutting off more Palestinians from access to their lands.

The Israeli government is facing criticism from the White House and the United Nations for its plans to expand Jewish settlements in Jerusalem.

Israel is under pressure to dismantle East Jerusalem outposts like this one in Maaleh Hazeitim, seen in April.

The government announced plans Sunday to build more than 800 homes in East Jerusalem, a move that could hinder international efforts to secure a peace deal by the end of the year.

"Our position on the settlements is that we don't believe that any more settlements should be built," said White House Press Secretary Dana Perino on Monday. "And we know that it exacerbates the tension when it comes to the negotiations with the Palestinians.
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/03/jerusalem.settlements/
 
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