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afraid to answer the question?
so you support the killing of a non armed pregnant woman and her 4 children. maybe, you shouldnt complain at all.
So your argument is that illegal Israeli settlers who have forcibly occupied Palestinian land and are living on it are entitled to kill Palestinians for their right to illegal occupation.
no, settlers shouldnt kill anyone. unfortunately, palestinians are entitled to kill anyone they see fit. too bad for that unborn baby-who will remember him?
Maybe settlers should find somewhere else to settle.
Why don't they settle in Central Park, NY, for instance, or say, on some of that farmland Israel is supposed to "own"? Why do they have to settle on land that other people are using? Why do they have a "greater entitlement" - says who?
P.S. blatant stereotyping of Palestinians, e.g. "entitled to kill anyone they see fit. too bad for that unborn baby", kind of glosses over all those kids and mothers the Israelis kill every other day with US missiles.
Why don't they settle in Central Park, NY, for instance, or say, on some of that farmland Israel is supposed to "own"? Why do they have to settle on land that other people are using? Why do they have a "greater entitlement" - says who?
P.S. blatant stereotyping of Palestinians, e.g. "entitled to kill anyone they see fit. too bad for that unborn baby", kind of glosses over all those kids and mothers the Israelis kill every other day with US missiles.
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hmm yeah, the UN telling stuff about the situation of children in gaza totally means that "as usual the UN backed by the oil reached countries of the ME is using children in the propaganda war against israel."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boh92DrYEWs
do they mention its HAMAS actions that are preventing aid from reaching them? did they mention hamas are the ones attacking the very same aid intended for those children? did they ever once talked about qassam rockets?
what a shame it is you prefer to ridicule someone instead of checking the facts first. the UN today is nothing more then a joke.
http://www.eyeontheun.org/view.asp?l=21&p=144
very balanced and objective is it?
In post 1149, sOmeguy quotes Mr. Spock as stating:
"... there are worse places for children in the world, yet they dont get any attention or funds at all because of the self centered palestinians. " I looked back 5 pages but did not find the original, but want to comment on it:
That may be true (Perhaps Zimbabwe?) but I think my tax dollars only pay for any killing of children in Gaza.*
What I object to is my taxes buying the missiles that are fired from the US supplied Apache helicopters rather indiscriminately into homes in Gaza -at least it appears to indiscriminate, if judged by the fact mainly innocent people, including children are killed.
As the US did in Vietnam, Israel always** identifies dead bodies it killed, which are over 10 years of age, as “terrorist” (Well in Vietnam we called the bodies "VC", but it is the same idea. - We too claimed our troops only intentionally killed "bad guys.")
Occasionally this lie is exposed as recently happened when Israeli tank fired shell was recorded on its way to the TV reporter it killed, but generally Israel can and does claim it only kills "bad guys" or it was "unfortunate collateral damage" if body is a dead child, but states they were “only trying to kill the bad guys" when they killed the child.
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*I want these tax dollars used to make sure Joe American kids have a roof over their heads when his home is foreclosed. Let's end ALL aid to Israel until it adopts a DEFENSIVE, instead of HIGH KILL RATIO RETALITATION POLICY.
**Well not “always.” – Sometimes Israel claims the terrorists killed the children as recently the 5 or so killed in apartment were “victims of terrorist walking on the street with load of explosives” or about a year ago the family on the beach killed by an Israeli artillery shell were “victims of a land mine planted by the terrorists” trying to block an Israeli invasion of Gaza from the Sea. (That quickly concocted cover story was dropped in less than a day as it is so silly that no one believed Israel would risk the dangers of sea waves etc. when they can and do securely go anywhere in Gaza they like in tanks.)
"... there are worse places for children in the world, yet they dont get any attention or funds at all because of the self centered palestinians. " I looked back 5 pages but did not find the original, but want to comment on it:
That may be true (Perhaps Zimbabwe?) but I think my tax dollars only pay for any killing of children in Gaza.*
What I object to is my taxes buying the missiles that are fired from the US supplied Apache helicopters rather indiscriminately into homes in Gaza -at least it appears to indiscriminate, if judged by the fact mainly innocent people, including children are killed.
As the US did in Vietnam, Israel always** identifies dead bodies it killed, which are over 10 years of age, as “terrorist” (Well in Vietnam we called the bodies "VC", but it is the same idea. - We too claimed our troops only intentionally killed "bad guys.")
Occasionally this lie is exposed as recently happened when Israeli tank fired shell was recorded on its way to the TV reporter it killed, but generally Israel can and does claim it only kills "bad guys" or it was "unfortunate collateral damage" if body is a dead child, but states they were “only trying to kill the bad guys" when they killed the child.
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*I want these tax dollars used to make sure Joe American kids have a roof over their heads when his home is foreclosed. Let's end ALL aid to Israel until it adopts a DEFENSIVE, instead of HIGH KILL RATIO RETALITATION POLICY.
**Well not “always.” – Sometimes Israel claims the terrorists killed the children as recently the 5 or so killed in apartment were “victims of terrorist walking on the street with load of explosives” or about a year ago the family on the beach killed by an Israeli artillery shell were “victims of a land mine planted by the terrorists” trying to block an Israeli invasion of Gaza from the Sea. (That quickly concocted cover story was dropped in less than a day as it is so silly that no one believed Israel would risk the dangers of sea waves etc. when they can and do securely go anywhere in Gaza they like in tanks.)
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your taxes reached the palestinians as well who undeniably kill israelis at point black range, yet that does not and never will bother you at all.
palestinians dont even have to prove they are not targeting civilians, they are allowed to. so my opinion is, "Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war".
the same UN that helped hezbullah kidnap two israeli soldiers in 2001? maybe they harbored more terrorists :shrug:
first part partially true - UN and US and EU funds do buy food and medicine, but not the rockets fired at Israel - I assure you that if US supplied or make those rockets they would be more effective that the crude tubes launched from inclined ramp that hardly ever do even damage when they fall into the desert.
Second part is false. I have repeatedly suggested that Israel take some of it old CIWS, which were replaced by more modern ship defensive system from the warehouse and cut the firing rate to 10% or less so they never jam and shoot those crude rockets down when they are near peak altitude. -A very easy task for even the first generation CIWS of 40 years ago which could kill super-sonic sea- skimming missile - it only failed if it jammed.
Some called the CIWS "Captain It Won't Shoot" instead of "Close In Weapon System" but no problems with even 50% reduction in fire rate. However even 1% of max fire rate would be ok for those slow Gaza missiles. (No need to fire many bullets.) I suggested this to save innocent lives, both Palestinian and Israeli as I do not like to see this killing of either. In contrast you admit to enjoy killing of the Palestinians and tacitly admit that a few Israelis must die to justify your pleasure in killing them. I don't want ANY Israelis to die.
They would much prefer to target the Israeli Knesset (parliament) in secession, but lack the technical capacity to do so with their crude unguided missiles. Are you suggesting US should give them better guided missiles? (So they cease killing innocent civilians and only kill those responsible for killing their children, stealing their grandfather's olive groves, etc.)
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sure they dont-tahts why they have tons of explosive and weapons, including grad missiles.
i admitted i enjoyed this? you are deliberately lying. not only i did not say this, but in fact stated the opposite, you have no way of knowing how i feel.
is that the best you can do? your ideas are not practical-the fact you fail to understand the dynamic of the conflict and refuse to understand you are wrong, actually indicates perhaps on your bias-israel is always guilty one way or the other.
as i said-palestinians are allowed to target civilians. you admit you have no problem with that what so ever. no, high kill ratio doesnt bother you, not even the palstinians deaths bother you, the fact israel is there, thats the problem. at least admit it.
then you can answer this:
why are hamas targeting the aid we give to the palestnians? why did they kill 2 security men near a fuel point for the palestinans?
too little, too late - the footage from Beit Hanoun house this week
An Israel Defense Forces investigation into Monday's incident in Gaza, which left a mother and her four children dead, confirmed Friday that the family was not hit by Israel Air Force fire, but rather by a detonation of weapons on the body of a nearby gunman who was targeted by an IAF missile.
The IDF released footage caught by an unmanned aerial vehicle, proving its claims. The gunman's weapons exploded as a result of the residual blast, which in turn caused the ricochets which apparently hit the family.
The inquiry revolved around a report claiming that an IDF shell hit a house in the northern Strip town of Beit Hanoun, killing five members of the Abu Meatak family.
IDF officials noted that the missile fired at the gunman is considered accurate and with a small amount of explosives.
The IDF inquiry presents the following picture:
At around 8 am, a cell of four terrorists was spotted firing at Givati troops operating in the Beit Hanoun area. IDF officials in the command room followed the cell, confirmed that they were terrorists carrying explosives, and attempted to determine the place where they would be attacked by an IAF aircraft.
The cell members were spotted moving 400 meters (1,312 feet) away from the forces. At 8:13 am, an aircraft fired at two of the cell members, killing one of the terrorists wounding the other. The army continued to follow the injured terrorist, and about a minute later the aircraft fired another missile at him, identifying an accurate hit.
Footage released by the IDF on Friday shows that civilians standing several meters away from the terrorist were not hurt, as the missile used to target him was accurate. The location selected by the IDF to target the second terrorist is close to a grape orchard, where not every civilian can be seen, and about 3 meters (9.8 feet) away from the gate of the Palestinian family's home.
Seven minutes after the second missile was fired, reports were received about civilians being hit, and several hours later it was reported that the family members were killed. According to estimates, weapons carried by the terrorist caused the heavy damage. The house's gate is believed to have flown at the family members, who were at the time outside the house, inside the grape orchard.
A number of sub-blasts took place following the first explosion, as a result of the weapons carried by the terrorists, which were not directly caused by the missile explosion. As part of the inquiry, the IDF examined previous incident in which similar missiles were fired.
the footage:
http://players.mediazone.co.il/media/authors/34/playlists/183363/players/3/
ill bet even despite this footage will still get blamed
An Israel Defense Forces investigation into Monday's incident in Gaza, which left a mother and her four children dead, confirmed Friday that the family was not hit by Israel Air Force fire, but rather by a detonation of weapons on the body of a nearby gunman who was targeted by an IAF missile.
The IDF released footage caught by an unmanned aerial vehicle, proving its claims. The gunman's weapons exploded as a result of the residual blast, which in turn caused the ricochets which apparently hit the family.
The inquiry revolved around a report claiming that an IDF shell hit a house in the northern Strip town of Beit Hanoun, killing five members of the Abu Meatak family.
IDF officials noted that the missile fired at the gunman is considered accurate and with a small amount of explosives.
The IDF inquiry presents the following picture:
At around 8 am, a cell of four terrorists was spotted firing at Givati troops operating in the Beit Hanoun area. IDF officials in the command room followed the cell, confirmed that they were terrorists carrying explosives, and attempted to determine the place where they would be attacked by an IAF aircraft.
The cell members were spotted moving 400 meters (1,312 feet) away from the forces. At 8:13 am, an aircraft fired at two of the cell members, killing one of the terrorists wounding the other. The army continued to follow the injured terrorist, and about a minute later the aircraft fired another missile at him, identifying an accurate hit.
Footage released by the IDF on Friday shows that civilians standing several meters away from the terrorist were not hurt, as the missile used to target him was accurate. The location selected by the IDF to target the second terrorist is close to a grape orchard, where not every civilian can be seen, and about 3 meters (9.8 feet) away from the gate of the Palestinian family's home.
Seven minutes after the second missile was fired, reports were received about civilians being hit, and several hours later it was reported that the family members were killed. According to estimates, weapons carried by the terrorist caused the heavy damage. The house's gate is believed to have flown at the family members, who were at the time outside the house, inside the grape orchard.
A number of sub-blasts took place following the first explosion, as a result of the weapons carried by the terrorists, which were not directly caused by the missile explosion. As part of the inquiry, the IDF examined previous incident in which similar missiles were fired.
the footage:
http://players.mediazone.co.il/media/authors/34/playlists/183363/players/3/
ill bet even despite this footage will still get blamed
For the 16th time, I again ask you to tell some flaw in the defensive plan I suggested years ago. For the benefit of new readers, here is a link to my long ago suggested plan:
http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1124159&postcount=115
Here is the CIWS part of plan:
Step 3: Install CIWS around all cities with in range of GAZA.
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ill send it to comedy central. other then that you entire "plan" is based on false premises and ill knowledge in defensive system and their capabilities.
other then that, you just hate jews. too bad i didnt vote for your ban - i was stupid enough back then to think you are a honest person. clearly that is not the case.
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