No Joe. Liking or not liking the rules has nothing to do with what Government and what force is. A Government is by definition a group of people that have the legal obligation to initiate force against innocent people. It doesn't matter if it's a dictatorship, a communist country, a democracy or a republic. This is what sets "Government" apart from other groups of people. Any other group of people can provide a service or good that a Government can provide - but must do so through voluntarism. A Government is different in that it has the legal ability to anal-rape someone for 14 hours for 'walking funny', for forcing workers to pay a transaction tax on the sale of their labor, to toss someone into a rape-cage for smoking a weed, etc... ONLY the State can initiate force against an innocent person. Only the State can secretly violate your privacy. Only the State can legally initiate force against innocent people.Yeah we have been down this road many times before and it boils down to this, you have a rather unique and bizarre definition of force. You believe that whenever government enacts a law you don’t like, it suddenly “forcing innocent people”. We choose to live together, and in living together we need a set of rules. That is where government comes in. You may not like all the rules. I don’t like all the rules, but by choosing to live here we accept those rules. And short of remote Alaska, there probably is no populated place where everyone likes all the rules we live by. And let’s not forget to mention your bizarre and exceptional exaggeration of government punishments for breaking the rules (e.g. Obamacare and prison).
Getting it yet Joe? Any of this pushing past the decades of propaganda and brainwashing? See, these little squiggles are meant to hold meaning - and by ensuring we use the squiggles appropriately we're able to understand differences between concepts like 'Public' and 'Private'. It's important to understand the squiggles Joe - trust me on this one.
Secondly, we do not 'choose to live together'. We are born and stamped "American" at birth. You are not free to just move to Japan Joe. As AMOF you'd probably never be allowed to remain in Japan, or Australia, or Europe longer than 12 weeks unless you were given special permission. So, one more time - we are born stamped with a Citizenship - it's not a choice. At birth, infants automatically become liable for the debts incurred by their parents, grandparents and great-grandparents - American infants are bonded at birth and WILL BE forced to repay the loans made BY their parents through a labor tax. That is immoral Joe. This is pretty simple. You don't get to buy stuff and say 'it's for the good of the nation' and stick someone else with the bill. That's called STEALING.
The people who wrote the constitution would be sickened to see the horrid society we've become. So, the best solution is to dissolve the Union allowing people like you, who wish to live in a society where violence is the norm - to go live with one anther, and people like myself who prefer to limit the violence - to do likewise. Let's hope one day we get to have a "Public" vote on succession. Wouldn't that be nice Joe? I'm hoping it happens by 2035.
As for GovernmentCare:
MIT, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, etc... these are our TOP Universities. They are all PRIVATE. They all have PRIVATE medical schools. We do NOT NEED the Government. Look at the other nations: Japan, Europe, Australia - are their PRIVATE Universities their top Universities, or is it instead PUBLIC? It's a totally different way to organize society Joe. I know you LOVE to go the quick route, violence, but I promise - if you just allow PRIVATE groups to organize themselves, you get a much much MUCH better outcome. Yeah, it means growing up and stop acting like a little baby. It means working TOGETHER as a society - voluntarily. You claim you want 'what's bets for society' - yet at every turn resort to violence against those that are innocent in society. That's a form of sociopathy Joe. Jesus, I swear to the Gods you people are like little children who never grew up. Just look at yourselves and the sickeningly way you quickly resort to violence. Again and again and again. No matter what the situation you call upon your *magical* deity The State and ask it to rain down hell on the innocent people around you - and then wonder why society is so shitty. Literally like little children. No wonder you're so easily led around by the nose by these two-bit hacks that act as our Politicians. I find it pathetic. Back and forth you go. Democrip/Rethuglican. Two wings of the Authoritarian Party playing off your little child-like emotions and fears. How sad. How pathetic. And how very childish.
The next time you want to use the State to harm someone innocent, instead of claiming some bullshit like 'it's for the glory of God' or 'the good of the country' - try to recall those lessons your mother taught you: Do not hit. Do not steal. Use your words. It's really not all that difficult Joe. Right now, as we speak, you cheer on the fact the State is going to initiate force against those who do not buy health insurance - so long as they had the misfortune of being born in the same geographical area as you - as if then gives you the right to use force against them.
Don't worry - you'll get your public 'training' hospitals where the poor act as the practice-meat for the less-and-less qualified medical doctors as they gain some training and experience on the poor and work their way out of public healthcare into private healthcare - at least the good ones. The bad ones? They'll stay in Public and keep cutting away at their patients. This is going to happen. Don't make any mistake about that. It will happen. That's the world you leave your children.