Netanyahu aide: Israel using Collective Punishment on children of Gaza because parent

[nirakar]

From: http://www.fff.org/comment/com0311c.asp

In 1996 then-UN Ambassador Madeleine Albright was asked by 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl, in reference to years of U.S.-led economic sanctions against Iraq, “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?”

To which Ambassador Albright responded, “I think that is a very hard choice, but the price, we think, the price is worth it.”

 

[quadraphonics]

The Sickening Apologists for Genocide and Hatred will be Destroyed, Driven before Me, and I shall hear the Lamentations of their Weasels. Join now with the Host of Justice in heaping Righteous Scorn upon Their Sickening Infanticide, or be forever Cast Down with the Jews and Americans in the Pit of Moral Judgement. There will be no Compromise: Abase yourselves before me, oh Evildoers, and Repent, for I am the Ultimate Voice of Reasoned Morality.

 

[Mr.Spock]

Depends on the person I suppose. If you support collective punishment with the specific intent of making innocent people suffer, then no, you are not a human being in my opinion. Just as those who support and actively help others who deliberately set out to harm others through acts of terrorism are not human.

Arabs want to see me suffer cause I was born Jewish.

Your religion really means fuck all in this debate.

WTF?

Now, you may want to attempt to whip the anti-Jewish fervour on this forum for your own personal gain. But I can assure you, you would be best to take it elsewhere.

I dont need to.

Let me put it this way. If you're one of those individuals who watches from the sideline and cheers as harm being done to innocent civilians, then you deserve to burn in the very depth of hell for all of eternity, regardless of what side you belong to..

Jews are never innocent civilians, there is always some excuse.

 

[Mr.Spock]

The Sickening Apologists for Genocide and Hatred will be Destroyed, Driven before Me, and I shall hear the Lamentations of their Weasels. Join now with the Host of Justice in heaping Righteous Scorn upon Their Sickening Infanticide, or be forever Cast Down with the Jews and Americans in the Pit of Moral Judgement. There will be no Compromise: Abase yourselves before me, oh Evildoers, and Repent, for I am the Ultimate Voice of Reasoned Morality.

They will fall before you? wait till you see what I can do.

 

[StrawDog]

From: http://www.fff.org/comment/com0311c.asp

In 1996 then-UN Ambassador Madeleine Albright was asked by 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl, in reference to years of U.S.-led economic sanctions against Iraq, “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?”

To which Ambassador Albright responded, “I think that is a very hard choice, but the price, we think, the price is worth it.”

As it turns out, she was totally and utterly misguided. Perhaps criminally so. :m:

 

[spidergoat]

really I thought the thread was about Israel killing children because?

which never works when your the aggressor which Israel is and it rarely works in defense. it just causes escalation.

Where's the escalation? I maintain they don't discriminate, they kill parents and children alike. If you can't be just, at least be arbitrary.

 

[nirakar]

As it turns out, she was totally and utterly misguided. Perhaps criminally so. :m:

I agree. But Israel is not the only nation to practice collective punishment in recent decades. Although collective punishment is against international law the UN gave public relations cover to the US practice of collective punishment in Iraq.

 

[nirakar]

Arabs want to see me suffer cause I was born Jewish.

If Arabs want to see you suffer it is only because you oppose justice for Arabs and are in favor of making Arabs suffer

 

[pjdude1219]

Arabs want to see me suffer cause I was born Jewish.

it has nothing to do with you being jewish and everything to do your most likely living on land taken from them,or their family)

Jews are never innocent civilians, there is always some excuse.

than how come so many innocent civilians get harmed by them for no reason?

 

[pjdude1219]

Where's the escalation? I maintain they don't discriminate, they kill parents and children alike. If you can't be just, at least be arbitrary.

it creates arms races. Israeli violence is probably one of the biggest reasons countries in the middle east seeks newer and better weapons.

 

[ElectricFetus]

Israel's policies are designed and imposed in such a way that they disproportionately, unnecessarily, and seriously, harm Palestinian children. Israel knows this, and chooses to continue.

And how so? Lets look at the motives, Israel is targeting whom, the children or the adults or both? And if ones is punished how can the other be spared? Israel is not disproportionately, unnecessarily, and seriously, harming Palestinian children, indirectly harming them sure, but Israel still lets in food, and provides medical aid and the Palestinians still breed like wild fire, if Israel wanted to harm the children intentionally they aren't doing a very good job. There nothing weaseling about that, the children come to harm, all do in war and Israel has done nothing to show its war on the Palestinians as excessive or disproportionate against the Palestinians children.

Shooting into a sealed room with the foreknowledge that it is filled with both adults and children equates to the willful targeting of children. Continual denial of such a simple reality is indicative of serious and offensive moral shortcoming. :m:

Oh do cite this case, lets read the details shalt we.

 

[Bells]

Arabs want to see me suffer cause I was born Jewish.

Were you?

What of all others who may not have been born "Jewish"? Do you think the Arabs will suddenly love them once they are stripped of their Jewishness? No. They'll still be hated because of where they are living and what happened to allow them to live there. What of settlers who are suddenly found to not be Jewish? I really don't think the Arabs and the Palestinians are going to say 'well it's alright, you can knock down my house and take my land and all my belongling because you're not Jewish anymore', do you?

It's not your religion but your actions and your attitude, if you know what I mean (if this were to be applied to you as an individual)?

WTF?

You can say they want to kill you because you're Jewish and you want to kill them because they are Arab Palestinians (be they Muslim or Christian). But at the end of the day, they want to kill you because they think you're an arsehole, just as you want to kill them because you think they're arseholes.

So really, your religion has nothing to do with it.

I dont need to.

So why do you keep trying to do it?

Jews are never innocent civilians, there is always some excuse.

There are Jews who are innocent civilians just as there are Palestinians who are innocent civilians. Once both sides starts to recognise that and recognise and respect the existence of the other, then you might move forward.

 

[StrawDog]

Oh do cite this case, lets read the details shalt we.

A metaphor for the assault on Gaza, which is an open air prison - a sealed room. :m:

 

[spidergoat]

Hamas decided to accept those consequences when they picked up a gun.

 

[StrawDog]

And how so? Lets look at the motives, Israel is targeting whom, the children or the adults or both? And if ones is punished how can the other be spared? Israel is not disproportionately, unnecessarily, and seriously, harming Palestinian children, indirectly harming them sure, but Israel still lets in food, and provides medical aid and the Palestinians still breed like wild fire, if Israel wanted to harm the children intentionally they aren't doing a very good job. There nothing weaseling about that, the children come to harm, all do in war and Israel has done nothing to show its war on the Palestinians as excessive or disproportionate against the Palestinians children.

1. Noted - "the Palestinians still breed like wild fire" - Racist, bigoted slur.

2. "and Israel has done nothing to show its war on the Palestinians as excessive or disproportionate against the Palestinians children"

You are naive. See below. After 60+ years without a settlement or peace, or even moving towards such, the Israeli agenda spanning successive governments is clearly apparent. To crush the Palestinians and to annex the land which is slowly happening as illegal Israeli settlements expand. Thus Palestinian children are VICTIMIZED through absolutely no fault of their own, by being denied a decent and equitable future.

There is one video Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, must be praying never gets posted on YouTube with English subtitles. To date, the 10-minute segment has been broadcast only in Hebrew on Israel’s Channel 10.

Its contents, however, threaten to gravely embarrass not only Mr Netanyahu but also the US administration of Barack Obama.

The film was shot, apparently without Mr Netanyahu’s knowledge, nine years ago, when the government of Ariel Sharon had started reinvading the main cities of the West Bank to crush Palestinian resistance in the early stages of the second intifada.

At the time Mr Netanyahu had taken a short break from politics but was soon to join Mr Sharon’s government as finance minister.

On a visit to a home in the settlement of Ofra in the West Bank to pay condolences to the family of a man killed in a Palestinian shooting attack, he makes a series of unguarded admissions about his first period as prime minister, from 1996 to 1999.

Seated on a sofa in the house, he tells the family that he deceived the US president of the time, Bill Clinton, into believing he was helping implement the Oslo accords, the US-sponsored peace process between Israel and the Palestinians, by making minor withdrawals from the West Bank while actually entrenching the occupation. He boasts that he thereby destroyed the Oslo process.

He dismisses the US as “easily moved to the right direction” and calls high levels of popular American support for Israel “absurd”.

He also suggests that, far from being defensive, Israel’s harsh military repression of the Palestinian uprising was designed chiefly to crush the Palestinian Authority led by Yasser Arafat so that it could be made more pliable for Israeli diktats.

All of these claims have obvious parallels with the current situation, when Mr Netanyahu is again Israel’s prime minister facing off with a White House trying to draw him into a peace process that runs counter to his political agenda.

 

[spidergoat]

Of course they don't want peace, they don't want a powerful Palestinian state on their border. They are making a separate state impossible.

 

[StrawDog]

Hamas decided to accept those consequences when they picked up a gun.

The theft of Palestinian land by European Jewish migrants was the first cause of conflict. The roots of Israel, embodied by the Stern Gang (amongst others) and who chose terrorism as their MO, accepted the consequences of such an armed struggle back in 1948.

This runs two ways, denial of this exposes your limited knowledge around such. :m:

 

[ElectricFetus]

1. Noted - "the Palestinians still breed like wild fire" - Racist, bigoted slur.

I did not know the phrase "breed like wildfire" was racist, but with a rate of 5 children per mother their prodigious breeding rate is a fact, racist fact?, probably not as Palestinians are not a race by many definitions.

You are naive. See below. After 60+ years without a settlement or peace, or even moving towards such, the Israeli agenda spanning successive governments is clearly apparent. To crush the Palestinians and to annex the land which is slowly happening as illegal Israeli settlements expand.

"Crush" the Palestinians how so? And they did not even have control over the west bank and Gaza until after the 1967 war so that 43 years not 60, more so if there settlements was a long planned systematic operation why did they pull out all there settlements in Gaza? Heck they gave up all of the Sinai Peninsula!, so an Israeli agenda over its 60+ years is clearly not apparent.

Thus Palestinian children are VICTIMIZED through absolutely no fault of their own, by being denied a decent and equitable future.

Touch facts of war.

 

[spidergoat]

The theft of Palestinian land by European Jewish migrants was the first cause of conflict. The roots of Israel, embodied by the Stern Gang (amongst others) and who chose terrorism as their MO, accepted the consequences of such an armed struggle back in 1948.

This runs two ways, denial of this exposes your limited knowledge around such. :m:

The roots of the conflict go back further than that. Let's test your knowledge, what percentage of Palestinian refugees were actually landowners?

 

[IamJoseph]

From: http://www.fff.org/comment/com0311c.asp

In 1996 then-UN Ambassador Madeleine Albright was asked by 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl, in reference to years of U.S.-led economic sanctions against Iraq, “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?”

To which Ambassador Albright responded, “I think that is a very hard choice, but the price, we think, the price is worth it.”

All innocent folk who suffer constitutes a crime. But this post ignores that Sadaam's Iraq followed the trend of all Islamic states and all Muslim people - in their horrific genocidal demands made upon the small state of Israel. In the false guise of the Pretend Palestineans, only those demands which constitute genocide are made.

The Muslims are being tested - they cannot claim victim while being obsessed with genocidal demands and false claims of a few specs of land - when they have stolen more lands than any other source. The Muslims should get out of Palestine which was allocated to the Jews, and get out of Kashmir - which is Indian lands - and start managing the millions of acres given them for naught which they never had 120 years ago - and apologise to the Jews and Indian peoples. They have gotten away with these crimes because of support from Europe, who have been perpetrating Heil Hitler salutes at the UN, fostering false claims of history and of the rights of Israel. History affirms this is not a hypothetical premise.

Two of the worst crimes hovering over humanity today is the totally false claims of Muslim as Palestineans and that all of Palestine are anything but Jewish sovereign territory. No one can be innocent or naive what the agenda of these false claims aspire. When these false premises are overturned it will not mean any favors were made for Israel - because the land allocated was already miniscule and those allocated to the Muslims was based on oil corruption and the disregarding of all other peoples in Arabia and India.