well something is obviously driving you to chant the glories of your faith on a religious discussion page ....
Negativity - A Common Link for Religion
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PsychoticEpisode,
I'm not sure of any religion that preaches such negativety, and neither do I.
What is encouraged by religion is non-attachment to this world.
If all you have is what you see with your eyes, as evidence, why should they accept your belief?
One of my friends, who is a classically trained musician, told me that her parents never let her listen to, or play any other style of music. As a result, she is a good classical pianist, but unable to play anything else.
What makes you think religion is, or was, jump-started?
Or are you refering to religious organisations?
I think you misunderstand the point, and negatively default to the nearest conclusion. It's not that life is terrible, it's more a case of life is temporary, hence the understanding that this perception of existence is an illusion. Of course this requires an understand of the concept of the spiritual soul, which is not subject to such laws.
I don't agree, as I don't believe this life is all there is.
This is what these discussions come down to, belief.
Were seen by who exactly?
The fact is, this life is temporary, and at the end we die.
Generally people do not want to think that all experience ends with life. Why?
It seems more natural, than just wishful thinking. If we are purely a product of nature, why don't we embrace the natural order of things, such as death?
A classic case of create the scenario in your own likeness, then proceed to hi-lite all the negative traits.
Religion is not about going to a better place, although some may describe it as that. It is about reverting to our natural state, spiritual.
Everybody creates dreamworlds if they're fortunate enough to have a good imagination. The thing is you are blatently insulting theism and theists who believe in a higher power, by reducing the understanding of their belief to dreams, but yet you don't care to try and understand the reasons some people believe as they do, because of your own belief.
A real discussion killer.
What are you hoping for, you'll soon be dead.
A better place for your off-spring?
The same fate awaits them as well.
jan.
I'm not sure of any religion that preaches such negativety, and neither do I.
What is encouraged by religion is non-attachment to this world.
If all you have is what you see with your eyes, as evidence, why should they accept your belief?
One of my friends, who is a classically trained musician, told me that her parents never let her listen to, or play any other style of music. As a result, she is a good classical pianist, but unable to play anything else.
What makes you think religion is, or was, jump-started?
Or are you refering to religious organisations?
I think you misunderstand the point, and negatively default to the nearest conclusion. It's not that life is terrible, it's more a case of life is temporary, hence the understanding that this perception of existence is an illusion. Of course this requires an understand of the concept of the spiritual soul, which is not subject to such laws.
I don't agree, as I don't believe this life is all there is.
This is what these discussions come down to, belief.
Were seen by who exactly?
The fact is, this life is temporary, and at the end we die.
Generally people do not want to think that all experience ends with life. Why?
It seems more natural, than just wishful thinking. If we are purely a product of nature, why don't we embrace the natural order of things, such as death?
A classic case of create the scenario in your own likeness, then proceed to hi-lite all the negative traits.
Religion is not about going to a better place, although some may describe it as that. It is about reverting to our natural state, spiritual.
Everybody creates dreamworlds if they're fortunate enough to have a good imagination. The thing is you are blatently insulting theism and theists who believe in a higher power, by reducing the understanding of their belief to dreams, but yet you don't care to try and understand the reasons some people believe as they do, because of your own belief.
A real discussion killer.
What are you hoping for, you'll soon be dead.
A better place for your off-spring?
The same fate awaits them as well.
jan.
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
Huh ? Can you tell me who claims that ?
Oh hey.. the one claiming that the supernatural does exist has to provide the evidence, not the other way around.
What evidence do you have that there aren't any pink unicorns living on Titan ?
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
He's asking why you need to adhere to a specific religion because of your beliefs. After all, you didn't need your religion for your current insights.
All religion adds is indoctrination.
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
But you believe in them as being symbolisms, right ? Not actual beings..
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
The world IS going to hell..
I don't know where you got that idea. Of course I believe in them as real beings. Why would I not? It's no different from monotheists seeing their deity as a real being.
Not...really. It's actually quite simple: Wicca matches to what I believe, thus I have made the decision to consider myself as part of that religion. I didn't have to, but I wanted to; there's no "indoctrination" anywhere in there.
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
I was kind of hoping.. I still want in, but not with actual deities around.
So there you have it. It's me or them, your choice..
PsychoticEpisode,
I'm not sure of any religion that preaches such negativety, and neither do I.
What is encouraged by religion is non-attachment to this world.
If all you have is what you see with your eyes, as evidence, why should they accept your belief?
One of my friends, who is a classically trained musician, told me that her parents never let her listen to, or play any other style of music. As a result, she is a good classical pianist, but unable to play anything else.
What makes you think religion is, or was, jump-started?
Or are you refering to religious organisations?
I think you misunderstand the point, and negatively default to the nearest conclusion. It's not that life is terrible, it's more a case of life is temporary, hence the understanding that this perception of existence is an illusion. Of course this requires an understand of the concept of the spiritual soul, which is not subject to such laws.
I don't agree, as I don't believe this life is all there is.
This is what these discussions come down to, belief.
Were seen by who exactly?
The fact is, this life is temporary, and at the end we die.
Generally people do not want to think that all experience ends with life. Why?
It seems more natural, than just wishful thinking. If we are purely a product of nature, why don't we embrace the natural order of things, such as death?
A classic case of create the scenario in your own likeness, then proceed to hi-lite all the negative traits.
Religion is not about going to a better place, although some may describe it as that. It is about reverting to our natural state, spiritual.
Everybody creates dreamworlds if they're fortunate enough to have a good imagination. The thing is you are blatently insulting theism and theists who believe in a higher power, by reducing the understanding of their belief to dreams, but yet you don't care to try and understand the reasons some people believe as they do, because of your own belief.
A real discussion killer.
What are you hoping for, you'll soon be dead.
A better place for your off-spring?
The same fate awaits them as well.
I rest my case.
Your entire post dealt with there being a scenario better than what we have here. There was nothing positive about life on Earth. Words like temporary and reverting aren't exactly ringing endorsements for wanting to stay. You're negative but not in a beligerent way. You're the nicest negative person I've heard from. Negativity can be made to sound positive.
What about this cult which says everyone but them is damned to eternal torment?
Seems pretty negative.
PsychoticEpisode,
Better than? No.
Opposite to? Yes.
But the truth of the matter is we cannot stay.
Is truth positive or negative?
I personally believe it is positive, but not always palatable.
Why, thank you.
That has to be the nicest put down I've encountered.
It has positive and negative traits.
jan.
Better than? No.
Opposite to? Yes.
But the truth of the matter is we cannot stay.
Is truth positive or negative?
I personally believe it is positive, but not always palatable.
You're negative but not in a beligerent way. You're the nicest negative person I've heard from. Negativity can be made to sound positive.
Why, thank you.
That has to be the nicest put down I've encountered.
It has positive and negative traits.
jan.
Desirability? Do you prefer one over the other?
I assume you mean dying. We stay Jan, like it or not. Truth means more when there is something known to back it up and when you say 'cannot stay' it sounds as if you'd rather stay. Or thank goodness I have a ticket out of here? Any truth in that?
PsychoticEpisode,
Mabybe I have misunderstood your questions, and in case I have please elaborate on them.
But for now, preference or desirability does not really enter into my response.
By this I assume you mean the physical aspects of our being?
Truth is truth whether it can be backed up or not. The thing is, our understanding of truth is limited to our own awareness, and that awareness
does not lend itself to what happens after we die.
Not really. Because that wouldn't put my mind at ease.
I use the term ''cannot'' because that is exactly what I mean.
Neither I nor you can stay here (as we are), and carry on living and experiencing.
And to alot of folks, this raises an issue, because we have ties, commitments, ambitions, and pleasures, we wish to continue, and pursue.
No sane person really wants to die, or to see their loved ones, friends, and people in general, die. We can accept that death is inevitable, and in a sense embrase it from that point of view.
So why is it that most people don't want to die, given the choice?
jan.
Mabybe I have misunderstood your questions, and in case I have please elaborate on them.
But for now, preference or desirability does not really enter into my response.
By this I assume you mean the physical aspects of our being?
Truth is truth whether it can be backed up or not. The thing is, our understanding of truth is limited to our own awareness, and that awareness
does not lend itself to what happens after we die.
Not really. Because that wouldn't put my mind at ease.
I use the term ''cannot'' because that is exactly what I mean.
Neither I nor you can stay here (as we are), and carry on living and experiencing.
And to alot of folks, this raises an issue, because we have ties, commitments, ambitions, and pleasures, we wish to continue, and pursue.
No sane person really wants to die, or to see their loved ones, friends, and people in general, die. We can accept that death is inevitable, and in a sense embrase it from that point of view.
So why is it that most people don't want to die, given the choice?
jan.
Actually we hope for something better, and we end up living longer.
Desires Jan? This is what I'm talking about. Sorry Woody but you made my point.
Actually we hope for something better, and we end up living longer.
That's his point exactly. Transcendentalist theists have a negative view of the world, by virtue of them thinking of a "better place" being the next stage for them.
Whereas just about any other system has a positive view of this life and the world around us.
"Better" doesn't have to be asociated with 'desire to be better".
The fact that our lives are temporary, and death awaits us all, aren't necessarily negative situations. We can accept them as inevitable, which IMO is a positive outlook though you may beg to differ.
A practicing "trancendental theist" is more likely to have a positive outlook than a negative one, as they see as everything belonging to God, therefore treating life, and the earth with respect.
You won't find trancendentalists ripping up the rainforest, to unaturally breed cows to make burgers.
jan.