Negativity - A Common Link for Religion

that's it? that's your logic?

It should have been quite obvious my answer to your logic question had nothing to do with logic.

Your defense of the supernatural is to suggest the natural can't be proven. This is your logic?

My answer to you is if I use your reasoning then why bother logicking anything? Why should I even respond to you? In fact I see no reason to go on.
 
Psychoticepisode

philosophy is actually about separating the wheat from the chaff ... if one is satisfied with whatever horsebag is shoved on one's nose I can understand why one might be reluctant to approach the subject. ”

No amount of separating is going to change the fact that it is still wheat. Wheat that has been broken down into two of its simplest components. The components are real, they exist, I can hold them in my hand. It is not imaginary wheat, wheat from another realm or wheat whose composition is of something unheard of.
If you don't meet the prerequisites you can't talk about it.
For instance if you lived in 12th century northern canada you certainly would have a tough time getting your greasy little paws on some wheat.
Probably also have a few snide things to say about the process of separating the chaff from this "wheat" fiction ..... while munching on raw walrus flesh or something

You are not satisfied with the horsebag? Well thank you very much, because you've just confirmed what I said earlier.... you don't like it here and can't find anything better. It's about as negative an approach to life on Earth as you can get. How do you personally get around it? I think it's pretty obvious.
certainly a very provincial attitude
nuthin better than walrus meat, huh?

geez

even material reductionists get all heady when they start speculating about a cure for death and disease


“ So if someone accused you of being materialistic, would that mean that you stand to be neglecting issues of space, time, energy, forces, etc? ”

Matter has properties attached to them. Those properties are part of the real world. They are at work constantly, enabling you to exist and imagine, and are not a key to some external realm.
if you accept space, time, energy, etc as sufficient to define all that we experience int his world you certainly do have to pad it out with a few imaginations since there is definitely not enough empirical evidence on hand to explaint hese things.

If you disagree, please explain in terms of molecules and atoms why a mother crocadile nurse her young in jaws that are strong enough to snap buffalo bone
:D

I'll address my negativity to those who feel the dream world is an actual place. Am I hurting anything by doing so? No, in fact I'm solidifying my acceptance of the world. You on the other hand have copped out. You're doing yourself and the world a disservice by perpetuating a faith in, and in some cases knowledge of unprovable facts.

you are solidifying yoru foolishness

just try and stop your faith being hijacked by the "newest, brightest!!" toothpaste while your molars rot.
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If you don't meet the prerequisites you can't talk about it.
For instance if you lived in 12th century northern canada you certainly would have a tough time getting your greasy little paws on some wheat.
Probably also have a few snide things to say about the process of separating the chaff from this "wheat" fiction ..... while munching on raw walrus flesh or something

Real walrus flesh or the imaginary kind from another realm.

What kind of prerequisites are required for basing your existence on a runaway consciousness? Mental instability or just pissed off at your luck?

if you accept space, time, energy, etc as sufficient to define all that we experience int his world you certainly do have to pad it out with a few imaginations since there is definitely not enough empirical evidence on hand to explain these things.

Not enough means something. Zero means nothing, as in zero evidence of other realms.

If you disagree, please explain in terms of molecules and atoms why a mother crocadile nurse her young in jaws that are strong enough to snap buffalo bone

You're starting to sound like leopold99. The logic escapes me.

you are solidifying yoru foolishness

just try and stop your faith being hijacked by the "newest, brightest!!" toothpaste while your molars rot.

My teeth are fine. Care for some walrus meat?
 
Originally Posted by Hapsburg
Not all religions are pessimistic or negative about things. I can't speak for the myriad of them, but in the very least, I can assure you that mine views the universe and existence as beautiful and good, and that natural events are an extension of this beauty, even if they affect us adversely

Originally Posted by PsychoticEpisode
Why do you need a religion for that? What's next, make Apathy a religion? What's wrong with accepting the world as is?

I don't understand the point of your question. Are you assuming that my religion is the cause of my beliefs?

Sorry Haps, I forgot about you. I don't think I claimed all theistic religions are negative. No your religion is not a cause for your beliefs. I'm not sure whether your beliefs(positivism) are the religion or a part of one. Either way I see no need for it to be connected to any religion. Do you have a god?
 
Psychotic episode
Originally Posted by lightgigantic

If you don't meet the prerequisites you can't talk about it.
For instance if you lived in 12th century northern canada you certainly would have a tough time getting your greasy little paws on some wheat.
Probably also have a few snide things to say about the process of separating the chaff from this "wheat" fiction ..... while munching on raw walrus flesh or something

Real walrus flesh or the imaginary kind from another realm.
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

If however you lived in the middle of australia 12th century, walrus meat might sound remarkably imaginary

What kind of prerequisites are required for basing your existence on a runaway consciousness? Mental instability or just pissed off at your luck?
If you insist on giving absolute definitions based on empiricism, you could probably answer that one yourself
:D

if you accept space, time, energy, etc as sufficient to define all that we experience int his world you certainly do have to pad it out with a few imaginations since there is definitely not enough empirical evidence on hand to explain these things.

Not enough means something.
something still short of standards that grant credibility to empiricism ...

Zero means nothing, as in zero evidence of other realms.
Oh?
Like a northern canadian has zero experience of wheat or a central australian has zero experience of walrus meat circa 12th century?



If you disagree, please explain in terms of molecules and atoms why a mother crocadile nurse her young in jaws that are strong enough to snap buffalo bone

You're starting to sound like leopold99. The logic escapes me.
C'mon now

Hit me with the empiricism dude!


you are solidifying yoru foolishness

just try and stop your faith being hijacked by the "newest, brightest!!" toothpaste while your molars rot.

My teeth are fine. Care for some walrus meat?

No matter how fine your walrus meat is, sooner or later your teeth will drop out of your skull and there is nothing you can do about it (except buy that "newest brightest toothpaste", I guess)
 
If however you lived in the middle of australia 12th century, walrus meat might sound remarkably imaginary

What you're really saying is God or some other realm is going to be found one day. I'm sure 12th century Australians contemplated walrus meat as manna from such a source. For it was written into Outback lore: For God so loved the world, he gave it walrus meat.

One thing is for sure. I don't have to die to eat walrus meat.
 
What you're really saying is God or some other realm is going to be found one day.
yes
By you perhaps

I'm sure 12th century Australians contemplated walrus meat as manna from such a source. For it was written into Outback lore: For God so loved the world, he gave it walrus meat.

One thing is for sure. I don't have to die to eat walrus meat.
Then thank god that you don't reside in 12th Century outback australia then
:D
 
I'm not counting on finding other realms. Any realm you may think you're entering into would be part of this world. If you have a door then there is a connection between your dream world and this real world. Either way there is only one realm and you're in it.
 
I'm not counting on finding other realms.
Poor/rich, educated/illiterate, beautiful/ugly .... doesn't matter

Death visits everyone equally

Any realm you may think you're entering into would be part of this world. If you have a door then there is a connection between your dream world and this real world. Either way there is only one realm and you're in it.
From the spiritual perspective there is only one world (or a "oneness" of things, in the sense that it all emanates from god).

However, trying to define your current situation (or the "real" world, as you put it) as the absolute environment for all phenomena is futile because you have no scope to maintain it (even in terms of this life) or even maintain yourself in it.
 
I'm not sure whether your beliefs(positivism) are the religion or a part of one. Either way I see no need for it to be connected to any religion. Do you have a god?
Well, my positivism is just part of who I am. My religion didn't guide my beliefs; my beliefs guided me to that religion, as it is one that fit most with my personal thoughts.

And, yes, I believe in deity. I believe in a great number of gods and goddesses, and I honour mostly the ones from European and Near-East pantheons. My religion, Wicca, by conventional practice worships two deities, a god and goddess pair that is determined by the practitioner.
 
Well, my positivism is just part of who I am. My religion didn't guide my beliefs; my beliefs guided me to that religion, as it is one that fit most with my personal thoughts.

And, yes, I believe in deity. I believe in a great number of gods and goddesses, and I honour mostly the ones from European and Near-East pantheons. My religion, Wicca, by conventional practice worships two deities, a god and goddess pair that is determined by the practitioner.

I've only once in my life been introduced to a Wiccan. I used to see her around quite often but not lately. I had to stop and think after reading
your last post and yes, she was also a positive person. There was no doom and gloom included in any conversation I did have with her. Maybe you have hit on a religion where negativity doesn't dominate but I know precious little about Wicca.

Have you asked yourself why this religion is attractive to you? My point is that dissatisfaction with living life on Earth encourages a connection with a religion. A lot of people are happy in their religion. That's fine, but why are they religious?..... Because they weren't happy prior to becoming religious. Not happy as in negative towards this existence and what it entails, such as dealing with death.
 
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Well, for me, it soundly encapsulated my personal beliefs under a single label and concept. I agreed with the main tenets that Wicca, in general, espoused. As I researched more into it, I found that I agreed with it more and more, and I finally took it upon myself to dedicate into the religion as a solitary. It's just something that made sense to me.
 
Well, for me, it soundly encapsulated my personal beliefs under a single label and concept. I agreed with the main tenets that Wicca, in general, espoused. As I researched more into it, I found that I agreed with it more and more, and I finally took it upon myself to dedicate into the religion as a solitary. It's just something that made sense to me.

You guys get a bad rap. Not from me but from the competition.:D
 
Well, for me, it soundly encapsulated my personal beliefs under a single label and concept. I agreed with the main tenets that Wicca, in general, espoused. As I researched more into it, I found that I agreed with it more and more, and I finally took it upon myself to dedicate into the religion as a solitary. It's just something that made sense to me.

I knew you would be in on this convo. Coming from a fellow Pagan, I have to agree. I don't think anything about what I believe is inherently negative. Many Pagans and Wiccans worship the earth, the here and now, the love of what we can see, feel, taste, smell, experience etc...

I think the idea that this life is transcendental, that there is something better, bigger, greater (heaven) to move on to, is what creates negativity about this life and all that surrounds it.

Screw Heaven. I care about the life I have now. I'm not worried about what happens when I die.
 
There isn't much good said about living life on this planet by our resident theists. In fact, negativity appears to be a common thread shared by theists worldwide. Non-theistic religions are not immune either. How many posts refer to this reality, this universe, this Earth as an awful place? There seems to be an unwillingness for many people to accept that what we have is all there is.
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Does this mean atheism is officially a religion now?
 
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