Again, you are misunderstand the language.Ha, yeah socialism is the love-making and rape is capitalism.
This just means you can not imagine a society that would organize itself to provide medical care and eduction without the threat of force against the very people in the society you're trying to provide the service to.I firmly believe that education and medical care is a right so call me a Progressive fascist if you like.
As far as I can tell, there's no difference between what he is advocating and liberal free markets.@ Michael
Did you get a chance to read over the article I posted in #31 by Muhammad Yunus? What are your thoughts on his idea?
Firstly, it really doesn't matter what a person's personal motivation is or is not. It doesn't matter if a person is attempting to make profit or simply want to serve the community - either way the only way he/she will be making any profit is by serving the community. Also, profit is good, it's signal to other's that there is a desire for this service or good by people in the community and more people will provide it.
Secondly, it really doesn't matter if you call someone a 'social entrepreneur' or just an 'entrepreneur' or even 'profit driven entrepreneur'. ALL entrepreneur's are trying to solve a problem to serve the community. At least in a liberal free-market.
So, in summary, while I disagree with the distinctions, I agree with the liberal free market entrepreneurship he seems to be exposing. I'd argue that the more free the market, the better it will be at allowing those poor individuals to create wealth. But, as soon as one does, I'm fairly certain the State they work within will be circling like a vulture looking for any potential 'profit' to steal.
Firstly, why does it matter what the internal motivations of the entrepreneur is? Suppose the entrepreneur is a greedy SOB who hates little children and sees her opportunity (lots of those little children she hates die of cancer) and like a predator she uses her evil genius to create a medicine which she sells at market price into the market saving millions of children's lives.See your problem is that not all entrepreneurs have our best interests at heart and many create products that exploit and then encourages our most base natures. What kind of oversight and regulations would you put on predatory entrepreneurs while maintaining everyone's so called civil liberties and keeping our environment from becoming a shit hole? Oh and another thing, what price my labor?
I agree that our fiat currency is theft. I do not agree that we eliminate private property rights as I'm rather partial to my kidney (which I own). The solution IMO is currency competition and sound money (and elimination of Income Tax).Here is another vision for your perusal. Thoughts?
http://www.ied.info/articles/my-eur...-of-eliminating-poverty-and-war-will-stun-you
The price of your labor is determined just as the price of coffee - whatever the market is willing to pay. Singapore doesn't have a minimum wage.Oh and another thing, what price my labor?
An Irish playwright and a co-founder of the London School of Economics. He was most angered by what he perceived as the exploitation of the working class. An ardent socialist, Shaw wrote many brochures and speeches for the Fabian Society.
=Michael;3102001]Firstly, why does it matter what the internal motivations of the entrepreneur is? Suppose the entrepreneur is a greedy SOB who hates little children and sees her opportunity (lots of those little children she hates die of cancer) and like a predator she uses her evil genius to create a medicine which she sells at market price into the market saving millions of children's lives.
Sex trade entrepreneurs, worthless for profit universities (snake-oil salespeople), doctors and counselors who defraud medicare, doctors that prescribe unneeded medications ( legal drug dealers), predatory lending, etc... I could go on and on and onWhat's the difference between a predatory entrepreneur and a entrepreneur? Can you give me an example of a predatory entrepreneur?
Secondly, the environment. So, let's imagine you own some property along a river. A company opens shop upstream and dumps pollutants into the river. In present model, the company secures regulations allowing for that level of pollution - and that's that. In a free market, the company would have to deal with the people who live on the river directly. What that company does NOT want to have happen is they get sued. What will they do? It's impossible to say, we don't live in that world.
RE: Means of Production
Just imagine, once the sem-free market economies Microfactories, everyone can be their own means of production. Bye Bye most of what makes Walmart useful (it's an efficient distribution machine). No need to go to the mall shopping for clothing, or shoes - maybe there'll be no need to shop for a PC or phone. All those factory jobs - gone with the flick of a switch. Hell, this thing can probably produce itself. All those service jobs - gone. Together with somewhat efficient AI like IBM's Watson to replace professions such as lawyers, or advice from GPs, and maybe along with MOOC - even teachers will be gone.
Interesting world we're creating. I personally think we may want to figure out the currency competition a bit quicker than we are.
I would think, the last think you'd want to be in the coming decade is a mass produced worker popping out of the arse end of the public school system. There's going to be even LESS job opportunities for manufacturing and service employment.
George Bernard Shaw
Interestingly, Shaw suggested those individuals who were not adding value "to society" should be kindly disposed of (peacefully killed off). I only mention this as you'll find most "Progressives" are, at some point in their intellectual pursuit of creating the 'workers paradise' willing to violate your privacy and cut out your kidney - for the good of collective.
If a person were really interested in doing 'social good', then why resort to using the State (force) to achieve this so called 'collective good' (public) instead of free markets (voluntarism) amongst individuals (private)?
Are you proposing that machines will one day take over all professions and we can just create all the day long?
That's happening now. A lot of jobs are being replaced by automation. A robotic garbage truck picks up my garbage, and our meter readers have been replaced by wireless communications. The army of accountants once needed by companies have been replaced by one guy with a PC and an Intuit package. That's one of the reasons that even though employment is up, more and more jobs are part time. There's just not as much work any more,
Skilled labor is still very much needed and what we should have been doing( educationally speaking)is what Germany did and does. America's private and public sectors should have been implementing the German model of education at least a decade ago.
See your problem is that not all entrepreneurs have our best interests at heart
and many create products that exploit and then encourages our most base natures.
What kind of oversight and regulations would you put on predatory entrepreneurs
while maintaining everyone's so called civil liberties
Oh and another thing, what price my labor?
All of the developed nations have this same problem. It turns out that prosperity is the best contraceptive. The fertility rate has dropped below 2.1 per woman, which maintains a stable population, allowing for occasional infant mortality.Sounds like the biggest problem Germany is having is a shrinking population. We have the opposite problem.
Who does the word 'our' refer to? And is there any group of people, anywhere, that can be trusted to always have another person's best interests at heart?
My own answer would generally be no. So one way around that difficulty is to give people lots of choices, along with the freedom to decide for themselves where their own interests are best met.
Who decides what part of our natures is base? The advantage of a market economy is that individuals can decide for themselves what they want, and what they are willing to exchange their money for. Obviously some of us might not place a great deal of value on some of the things that other people want. I certainly don't. But that's life I guess. I don't think that I should have the power to dictate to those people what they can have.
I definitely support laws against fraud. I support peoples' right to sue for things like breach of contract. The basic business law stuff.
I could care less if an adult wants to kill themselves with drugs or food or whatever x right now, I care about eliminating poverty. If you want to drink a coke the size of your car it is not my concern but it is my concern that Coke and McDonald type food was in our schools and contributing to obesity in our children. I am so tired of the damned civil liberties cry when what would be in society's self interest to do, we do not because some fool screams civil liberties foul. We need a Civil Liberty vs Common Sense smell test!"So-called"?
In a market system, that will depend on how much other people value whatever it is that you do, and on how much somebody else is willing to offer you to do it for them.
That's the thing. In a market economy, people get to decide for themselves what they value. Money is an abstract token of value and people spend money to acquire goods and services that they desire for any number of reasons. And in turn, the amount of money that people get is proportional to the value that their labor represents to others.
Individually, people are often rather self-centered. Everyone has desires of his or her own. But often-times, we aren't in the position to satisfy our desires by ourselves. We need the assistance of others.
But why should another person labor to satisfy our desires, when that person has unmet desires of his or her own? In the market system, when a person labors to fulfill somebody else's desires, they are typically doing it in order to acquire the money they need to entice yet another person down the line to help them satisfy their own desires.
Far from being the root of all evil, money is a social glue that draws a multiplicity of strangers together into reciprocal relationships. That's what's happening every day when you go to work, or go to the store.
It's not a Ponzi Scheme, and it's tiresome correcting you every time you post that bullshit.fraggle said:The only thing that's propping up the Ponzi Schemes we refer to as "social security" is immigration