No, it doesn't.If you lack belief in God, using at least one of the many definitions of "lack", you are without God. This implies that there Is God, and you are without.
No such implication exists.
No, it doesn't.If you lack belief in God, using at least one of the many definitions of "lack", you are without God. This implies that there Is God, and you are without.
Words falling on deaf ears.No, it doesn't.
No such implication exists.
^^^Thanks.
It's also really convenient that it means the same as the original meaning of 'atheist' (atheos), which mean ''without God''.
Glad you liked it.
jan.
^^^Let's use you as an example.
Why don't you believe in God?
jan.
BTW, when a "believer" avoids stating their own beliefs, you might want to look around for ravens.
The main point (which I think you kind of made already) is not the particular speed of light, but the fact that the speed of light is finite.Recently at another venue a question was as about the speed of light and why it is what it is. Why not 10 or 100 klm faster or slower? Why the speed is exactly what it is? I'm not talking or meaning cases where it slows (has a different speed). Why is the max speed is in a vacuum etc etc what it is? Other values in physics appear to be strange but like I mentioned they are what they are
The main point (which I think you kind of made already) is not the particular speed of light, but the fact that the speed of light is finite.
It's an open question as to why any "fundamental" constant has the particular value we see. Maybe there are other universes out there were the constants have different values.
That's why I don't say that. I say you have no proof of any god or gods. If think you do and that self-delusion is strong enough for you to try to articulate it, trot that puppy out.
???
Even you said, just a moment ago, in post #320:
"So it is the actual belief, the other person possesses, that you lack."
And then you went on to say "No matter...", thus implying that you understood this to be my/our position.
And now, not a few posts later, you are changing your position to "you lack belief in belief in God"???
Stop being so blatantly dishonest.
Stop being a troll.
I lack the belief that God (or gods) exist.
No one can know what other people's beliefs are without asking and being told. In your case, there is also the problem of your inconsistency and refusal to clarify various muddles, strawmen, and contradictions. Like this one:This is because the atheist has no idea of what God is. He/she can only go off what the theist says.
That's not the response you got here. The response you got here was the observation of the conflict between your denial of any claim of "existence" for your version of deity, and your claim that your deity created things that exist.If I say "God is the creator" the atheist tries to counter there the idea of an intelligent creator
You are often dishonest, and post in bad faith. Many people have noticed that.You know I'm not being dishonest,
Namely, a particular category or kind of belief.Because there are people for whom God just Is, and you don't have what they have.
It is enough to know that someone claims to have it for another to be able to say they lack it, even under the interpretation of "lack" that you want us to adhere to.Baldeee, there is no God for you to lack belief in. In a lot of our discussions, and discussions in general, between theist and atheist. The demand a definition of God. This is because the atheist has no idea of what God is. He/she can only go off what the theist says.
If I say "God is the creator" the atheist tries to counter there the idea of an intelligent creator. If I say God is omni-benevolent, or love. The atheist tries to counter that. The atheist does not have a clue as what or who God is. Therefore the atheist can not believe, or lack belief in something he/she has no idea of.
You lack belief in claims made about God.
I have no need to try when you are doing a fairly decent job of it yourself.Stop trying to get me banned.
You are dishonest, Jan, in your debating tactics.You know I'm not being dishonest, and you know I'm not trolling. You just don't like what I'm say, even though you know I have a strong point.
Because there are people who believe in God, and I don't have that belief.How do you know you lack belief that God exists? Because there are people for whom God just Is, and you don't have what they have.
I went through this with Jan months ago.I actually don't need to know what you mean by God to be able to say "I lack belief in God".
It is enough to know that someone claims to have it for another to be able to say they lack it, even under the interpretation of "lack" that you want us to adhere to.
Because there are people who believe in God, and I don't have that belief.
Hence I lack that belief
If so, then I can categorically not grant God's existence; I don't need to know how tall God is or what colour his eyes are.
It doesn't matter. Like a cultist, Jan is deaf to all forms of logic.
Correct. Nor has God been shown to exist.Because God does not exist as far as you're aware.
Correct. Nor has God been shown to exist.
Note that you lack awareness that God does exist. You simply have faith in it.
You lack critical analysis in determining real things from imaginary things. That is your short-coming; it is not a short-coming of rational people.
There's nothing logical about you're saying regarding this subject Dave.It doesn't matter. Like a cultist, Jan is deaf to all forms of logic.
Thanks for making my point.God doesn't exist as far as you're aware
For the record (i.e. anyone who subscribes to critical thinking), I (and almost everyone else) have never asserted God does not exist, simply that I don't grant it does.God doesn't exist as far as you're aware, and you extend that to 'it is true that God does not exist'. Please explain how you know this.