Here's a more specific reply.
I've never said that ''nobody can be an atheist unless God exists''.
Your consistent claim is that the term "atheism" implies that God IS. Atheists reject your claim.
I believe I have explained. When the atheist asks for evidence of God's existence, they ask from there perception of existence. An object exists, and we can verify that it exists via our senses. God does not exist in the way objects exist, so an atheist will not be able to see, hear, or touch God.
This is a special pleading for God - exceptionalism that says that God is unlike anything else in our experience. And yet, your actual claim is, in part, that God actually
is everything in our experience and more.
Explain to me how not believing in your tutor implies that the tutor does not exist.
This is your argument, not mine, isn't it?
Of course you're going to say that we can see, hear, and touch the tutor, but where is God.
We can't see, touch, or hear it. Then we're right back to square one where we start debating the existence of God, where you expect God to exist in the way objects exist.
The problem with this exceptionalist approach to God is that, when all is said and done, you're not suggesting any real alternative way to know that God is real, other than the usual theist "gut feeling" or the magical God sense that you keep implying we all have but which atheists choose not to turn on for whatever reason.
[Fairies]It may well do, if others believe they exist.
Generally though, we don't have people, or groups, believing in fairies to the point we it sparks debates, discussion, and lectures on it.
Interestingly, there was quite a public debate when Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, famous creator of Sherlock Holmes, came out as a believer in fairies way back when.
You are saying here, I assume, that you are willing to believe that fairies exist, as long as some people believe in them. Correct? Does that apply to any belief, as far as you're concerned? Or do you again make a special excuse for God?
If there is no good evidence for God's existence, then it stands to reason that God doesn't exist for the person who demand evidence. So this is simply follows from the default position of ''God does not exist''.
Once again, we're in Jan's Relativist World of Existence here, in which things can exist for one person and simultaneously not exist for somebody else. Do you think we could have a discussion in which we talk about
objective existence, Jan, rather than the purely subjective kind you keep insisting on?
So really, the atheist is the default position. Some accept that God does not exist for anybody (because it doesn't exist for them).
That's the objective view - either things exist for all of us, or they exist for none of us. In opposition is your subjectivist view that things can exist for one person and not exist for another, which is very convenient for you when it comes to discussing God, but which presents problems with your attempt to foist
your preferred meaning of "atheism" onto atheists.
We're talking about ''atheism'' and ''theism'', not whether or not God exists.
Then you should be content to say that theists believe in God and atheists do not believe in God. But you won't stop there, will you?
You are defending the idea that there is no evidence for God, because that is your position.
Ignoring the nuances that I have explained to you in previous posts, that is almost correct.
For me, God Is, and I accept that God Is. That is my position.
... which is only really saying you believe in God. But you won't stop there, will you?
The problem for you is, you cannot accept my position. It is not enough that God does not exist as far as you're aware, but now God cannot exist, unless there is suitable evidence, that we can all see.
Unfortunately, your "position" has many facets, some of which I accept and some of which I utterly reject. I have no issue with you believing whatever you like about God, but in this thread you're also trying to tell me what I (tacitly) believe, and why. And not just me. And this you do in spite of everything you are told that contradicts your portrait of atheists. In fact, you're even arrogant enough to say that it doesn't matter what atheists think about what it means to be atheist.
If you really meant that wholeheartedly, you wouldn't be asking for evidence of God, because that assumes you can know God, through suitable evidence. But you say you don't know if God exists.
The fact is, neither you nor I know if God exists. Your "position", as you keep telling me, is that God IS. That's an assumption. That's your "starting point", you say. You think knowledge follows from your belief. You are wrong. Knowledge doesn't follow from belief. Rightly, belief ought to follow from knowledge. This is why I say I don't know if God exists.
Your problem is that you want your cake, and eat it. It is alright for you to throw knowledge claims, based on what you believe, around, as and when you like. But the moment I follow suit, you want to clamp down.
I am not claiming to know things I don't know. You're the only one making those sorts of claims.
What does ''maybe'' look like?
God Is, or God doesn't exist.
Either you accept God, or you don't.
There are no grey areas.
This is in apparent contradiction to your repeated insistence that God can exist for
you but not
for me, simultaneously.
I think you need to sort out this issue of relativism in your own mind. That's if you're not just trying to wind us all up with deliberate contradictions.
Anything you say about God, is from the perspective of ''there is no God'' to draw anything from, so I'll speculate. So you speculate as though God should exist like any other object. If that particular object cannot be verified as existing (like other objects), then it is likely that the object does not exit, and those who believe in the ''existence'' of this object, do so for other reasons (comfort, fear, indoctrination...), or they are just plain irrational.
I see no reason to make a special pleading for God when it comes to existence. Why should God's existence be subject to a completely separate set of rules? Why should we use one set of criteria for deciding whether Donald Trump exists, and a completely different set of criteria for deciding whether God exists?