mutilated cattle anyone?

Richard,a good breeding bull can bring big bucks,but hes an animal used for breeding, the cattle raised to be slaughtered for the dinner table are very inexpensive.and the only thing that the insurance company will ever pay a rancher is the replacement value,not the value the animal brings when it reaches top weight,an animal brought to top weight is much more valuable to the rancher then the replacement cost of a range cow.The insurance company has strict guidelines for paying off on a claim,for anyone thinking that a simple rancher could come up with a way to mutilate these animals the way they are has got to think this thru.
 
All cats play with their food.

I confess to not having read this entire thread, so I apologize if I missed what I was looking for. However, I searched the entire forum for the word cougar, as well as the big cat's names in other parts of the continent, puma, panther, and mountain lion, as well as its scientific name Felis concolor. No find, at least not in this area.

I'm amazed that you've written five pages about this "phenomenon" and nobody appears to have asked, "Hey, do you think it might have been cougars?" The most wily, stealthy and eccentric predator in North America? The only one that hunts like a cat and plays with its food because it IS a cat? (Again, if you managed to conduct that conversation without using the word cougar, I'm sorry.)

These "mutilations" have not been limited to cattle. Goat, sheep and llama breeders in the Wild West have had the same problem. This rather large community of stockmen decided not to wait 150 years for the invention of Warp Drive so the Vulcans can help them figure out which race of aliens was attacking their livestock.

They did what herding folk have been doing for thousands of years: they got some big tough livestock guard dogs from Turkey. The Anatolian, a 4,000 year old breed that weights 120 pounds, with the speed and agility of a greyhound on steroids combined with the teeth and ferocity of a mastiff.

They traveled to the nearest mutilation scene, set out some goats as bait, and sat far downwind with their dogs. The dogs heard the commotion first and went galloping off. The ranchers found them encircling the mountain lion, who had been caught feasting on an udder that had been removed from the goat with nearly surgical precision.

A few more episodes with the same conclusion and it was the end of the mystery. It was all cougars. Humans have kindly provided them with such an inexhaustible food supply, that they kill the animal just to eat what they consider to be the tastiest bits and leave the rest for the coyotes.

This is some tremendous irony. Before the Europeans arrived with their guns, the cougars' favorite but most difficult prey was bison. Hard to catch, even harder to kill, but oh so tasty. Then you know what the white folks did. Slaughtered entire herds of bison, took the livers, and left 500 tons of beef that even the coyotes couldn't eat up. We killed off their best food supply, just to eat our favorite parts.

So what are the cougars doing now? Killing off our food supply, just to eat their favorite parts. Who says there's no justice?

Of course the Anatolians have changed the balance, running cougars off and killing the ones who stayed to fight. (Like I said, they're tough. In Africa they breed them a bit bigger and they protect the cattle from lions.) Only the rich corporate ranchers whose ranches are too big for a pack of dogs to cover have to worry, but at least they know it isn't aliens they're up against.

The Anatolian was just accredited by the AKC. If you want to see one watch the Westminster Dog Show on USA, I think it's next week. He will be in the "Working Breeds" category. You'll understand why there aren't as many "cattle mutilations" as there used to be.

If the same thing is happening in South America, well they have two playful cats: mountain lions and jaguars. They need to get themselves some guardian dogs.
 
Goofy,
you said:
At least there is some proof that ranchers actually exist.

so?...



Richard:

Cattle might cost a big amount.But it couldnt possibly cost more than a surgeon's fees if they call one to mutilate their own cattle and specially with those precision tools like extreme heat and Laser usage etc.?or does it?...



thanks.

bye!
 
Carol, when was the last time you had to replace stock? I'm paying $350 per animal for one month olds. A number of farmers don't just lose one or two cattle to these mutilations, it builds up to be a very costly matter to them. But I'm not on the side that farmers are doing this for insurance because most would most likely prefer to burry the animal and replace than claim for it.


These mutilations haven't been limited to cattle, you are right there, they also include humans, anyone who doesn't know this should look up human mutilations.

I've also seen no evidence that any such mutilations are carried out by anything but humans. I think the ploy of pushing it into the ufo arena is just to stop people looking seriously into it.
 
ahem,excuse me Fragglerocker, Im new around here but the area of cattle mutilations has been an area of interest too me ever since I was challenged to read the Rommel report. Now one thing we really should spend a few minutes thinking about is just how well versed the rancher is when it comes to raising cattle,they do most of there own animal husbandry,and know cattle inside out,as for a cougar or bear or wolf being the culprit,of all the explanations this is the one most easily ruled out. Im not sure where your getting your information from but the idea that a cougar can make surgical incisions isnt accurate. If your talking about a single bite to the neck or spine perhaps so,if the animal dies immediately,but a feeding cat of anykind has to get to the parts of the killed animal by opening the abdomen.They go for the most nutrious parts of the killed animal instinitvely,theres not a predator you can name that would expend energy by 'surgically' removing a jawbone. None. And how could a courgar make a kill,feed on that animal and not leave any sign that its been there? A bite to the neck results in blood,a bite and the opening of the abdominal cavity results in more blood,a feeding animal would leave still more blood on the hide of killed animal etc.Naw,Id take a big black pen and scratch out cougar twer I U.
 
Originally posted by carol nistri
Range cattle do not cost thousands of dollars,
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Actually, I was a bit off, but they are not “cheap.” The average sale price in 2002 was 98.25cwt. The average animal weight was 1187lbs, which makes the average sale price at auction $1,166. Certainly not pocket change.
Originally posted by zion
so?...
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Seldom have I seen such a well-considered reply.

:m: Peace.
 
Richard I should have begun this thread or my participation in it by saying I do not believe there is an alien connection,the UFO portion of this legend couldnt be better as far as someone or something to blame. Im of a mind that this is indeed a black project.by the way Richard what kind of cattle are you raising. And Im of a mind that cattle mutilations are usually one animal at a time not several,not that it doesnt occure but its rare isnt it?And your the perfect person to ask,if you found an animal with these types of mutilated areas just what would be the requirements of your insurance company in order to put in a claim?
 
heres a link about raising cattle,this might be where were getting confused about actual cost. These cattle that graze on federal lands arent rounded up at night and fed grain,its my understanding that they are turned loose on those lands and with little or no supervision fend for themselves,they thrive on those lands,with ample amounts of water they dont really become grain fed until they go to the feed lots.Is this understanding correct? This is a far cry from the guy that has a small herd of fenced cattle that he feeds both grain and fodder then the cost mounts not so with cattle turned out to care for themselves.
 
"Certainly not pocket change. "

Goofy,
Please take a Calculator(if you need one) and compare this with Medical Proceedures involved with CMs...


thanks
bye!
 
Zion,if a farmer could prove that he had the capability to remove and mutilate an animal like this leaving no clue whatsoever as to how it was done he would be a millionaire over night,and lets say a clever rancher has found a way to do this,how would that account for the thousands of animals found this way around the world? This is going on not only in Argentina but in the U.K.Scotland and so on,naw Im with you on this one .
 
Carol, I actually didn't mean that more than one live stock is mutilated at a time, but some farmers can lose a few cattle a year to mutilation. you asked about insurance, honestly, if I found one of our livestock mutilated, it would be buried and replaced without the insurance company knowing. Don't want higher premiums :0( We're insured up to $200,000 if one of our live stock gets out on the road and causes an accident, replacement cost for the livestock if someone kills it, but everything means higher premiums, so unless one gets out and causes damage on the road, we'd replace it out of our pocket and not bother with insurances. However any claim would have to accompany a vet's report into the death.

I've honestly never heard of farmers feeding their cattle grain down here. All that I know of feed out hay in the winter if they need extra feed.

We've got white faced hereford steers, more money in them :)

I'm with you, I do think it is a black project. It has always concerned me that cattle mutilations seemed to of originated in the US around a large area that was downwind from the atomic test sites.
 
It is not only limited to Europe or American continents...It spreads even accross less Developed areas like India.Insurance companies also exist in India,but as far as Reports goes...There have been about 160 ranchers who have reported seeing strange Objects with Buzzing sounds(this has happened in various states like U.P,M.P etc),Dropping of Cattle to grounds from the crafts which are saucer shaped or cigar shaped mostly...this was just the last year's report.

The problem severely extends itself all the way to China,Korea etc...So the problem is just not in U.S itself.Its just that they are publicised widely there...
Whose technology is this?What is doing this?And why?the questions are still left unanswered...

bye!
 
ok Richard,but heres an

arguement you can pass along if ranchers get accused of killing there own animals for insurance purposes. Since Rommels report is the only 'official' report I will refer back to it,now Rommel,Ken Rommel was chossen by the Justice Dept.to investigate mutitlations that had the ranchers up in arms,so the next time someone insists that ranchers were the cause you come back with the fact that it was the Ranchers that angrily inisisted that the D.A.'s office get involved,when the D.A.s office did and law enforcement become stymied the D.A. called in the Justice Dept.but none of these investigations would have occured at all if it wernt for a group of very angry ranchers insistance. By the way big wink here in Rommels report he states the following " I will admit that during my year long investigation no mutilated animals were found",now what does that tell us alien involvement,or human...and that report is so stinko you can bet a smart savy guy like Ken Rommel had his marching order prior to his investigation and the Justice Dept dictated them
 
hi Zion

you know as interested as I am in this subject I havent looked into nearly enough cases from around the world,Id like to tho,have any websites you can suggest.Id like to see what the rest of the world is saying about cattle mutilations,isnt the internet wonderful by the way,with just a click and a moments wait its like living in a library. :)
 
Carol: re cougars

Carol Nistri: I'm not sure where you're getting your information from but the idea that a cougar can make surgical incisions isn't accurate. And how could a cougar make a kill, feed on that animal and not leave any sign that it's been there?
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It was a first-hand report from a rancher that had lost a few goats to "mutilation." As I said, on the advice of his neighbors he got a couple of Anatolian Guardians and with a little patience and a lot of coffee they caught a cougar in action. He was an udder specialist, matched the previous kills in the area, seemed to just prefer that part of the meat. On the night of the capture they got to the scene while the goat was still alive; these folks never claimed that there was no blood. They were impressed with the neatness of the cut; they could have believed that it was done by a human with a knife. "Nearly surgical precision" was my own bad journalistic hyperbole, sorry.

But regarding the "no evidence" issue, cougars aren't all like this guy, dining at the kill site. They're famous for carrying their kill away, even up into a tree. Once they get done noshing on it in a few different spots, the place they finally abandon the carcass would certainly be devoid of blood. And if there were any small bits, the raccoons and rodents would happily spirit them away. I don't regard the clean site as an eyebrow-raiser at all.

I can't speak to the other types of dissection that have been reported, but in the course of my life I've learned that other people are just as bad as I am at "making a good story better." Sometimes when you finally devise the plan that gets the next occurrence of a fabulous event on video, in front of eight trustworthy witnesses, the reality turns out to be a bit less fabulous than the story.

All these folks cared about was that once they had dogs guarding their goats and llamas who are as big as cougars, almost as fast, and quite a bit less cowardly, there were no more "mutilations" in their area.

An almost universal trait of the individual members of a predatory species who choose a soft life on the fringe of civilization: They don't think any prize is worth the risk of engaging in a fair fight. It's too easy to slink over the hill to the next community and snack on their unguarded livestock.
 
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Fraggel

Im dead tired had a long long day,but this interests me,Im going to read your post again tomorrow morning but did I get this right,that cougar came in and ONLY ate the udder?
 
sorry,but Ive learned over the years

thats its very important to belabor a point when it comes to the Paranormal. Im still very curious as to how this animal snipped that udder off that neatly,imagine that udder for a minute if it were full of milk it becomes quite bulbous,for a cougar to open its mouth wide enough to engulf the entire udder than to camp down and manage to snip the entire bag off with a yank or a twist is hard for me to imagine,all this while the animal is still alive. Hm,too bad we didnt have a photograph on this one. But hey who knows maybe the predator theory will come up again.

Now I used to have some dynamite color pictures of cows that have just unbelievable areas of there body tampered with,not eaten Fraggle,not mauled as in cougar but larges areas of hide removed without a smidge of the meat underneath disturbed in anyway. Jawbones removed, now this is the one that gets me,why in the world would an animal in search of a quick meal ever in a million years cart away the bony meatless plate of a jawbone? Memories are flooding back now of when I used a magnifying glass took those pictures out doors looked and thought and thought,end of thunk was no wonder people think theres aliens afoot here. Its just too strange for words.
 
ahhh,crop circles another

favorite of mine,by the way Fraggle are you watching the History Channel this week. Some very good UFO and alien reports.
 
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