We don't need no education.
More young men in jail than college
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What also might be contributing to this is the 70% illegitamaticy rate among African-americans. 7 out of 10 children born to single mothers, and without a strong father figure, some do not have any positive male role models in their lives, so they turn to thugs like "50 Cent" to pattern their lives after.
I think the illegitamaticy rate among other groups is around 20-25%.
I think the illegitamaticy rate among other groups is around 20-25%.
What has illegitimacy to do with schooling?
I was referring to why more blacks are in jail than college.
With no father figure to encourage productive behavior, kids fall into bad circles. A single mother has less of a chance of affording to send their kids to college, than 2 working parents.
With no father figure to encourage productive behavior, kids fall into bad circles. A single mother has less of a chance of affording to send their kids to college, than 2 working parents.
Is there a correlation between single parents and school dropouts? Has anyone studied the relationship?
I'm sure they have....but you don't have to do a scientific study to realize that it's easier for 2 parents to raise a kid than just one. Single moms have to both work full time, and be a full-time parent...and sometimes, there isn't enough time for both.
That would indicate that children from two parent families do better in school. Is that true?
As a general rule, I would say yes....but I'm at work, and don't have time to google data for all your questions.
Are you serious?
Buffalo Roam
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http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1360943
These school characteristics, combined with limited parental involvement in adolescents' education, have serious consequences. Not surprisingly, low-income adolescents have reduced achievement motivation and much higher risk of educational failure (Schultz 1993). In particular, compared with their more affluent counterparts, low-income adolescents receive lower grades, earn lower scores on standardized tests, and are much more likely to drop out of high school (e.g., Kao, Tienda, and Schneider 1996; Hauser, Simmons, and Pager 2000).
These school characteristics, combined with limited parental involvement in adolescents' education, have serious consequences. Not surprisingly, low-income adolescents have reduced achievement motivation and much higher risk of educational failure (Schultz 1993). In particular, compared with their more affluent counterparts, low-income adolescents receive lower grades, earn lower scores on standardized tests, and are much more likely to drop out of high school (e.g., Kao, Tienda, and Schneider 1996; Hauser, Simmons, and Pager 2000).
I would like to put poverty and parental education into the model and see if the equation still holds. Do you have any evidence that states otherwise?
Actually, I'm pretty sure single parenthood isn't that big a deal. It is just that a lot of single parents are single because of a whole bunch of reasons that also cause their (bastard) kids to do bad at school.
The war on drugs.
You should also put personality type, and lifestyle into the model.
Most of the crimes are likely drug dealing and gang related crimes. Which means certain personality types are more vulnerable to certain behavior patterns than others, and certain lifestyles are more appealing to certian personality types than others, and so some want to be a part of a gang, and they join the gang for all of the "benefits", but end up getting involved in stuff they had not planned on being involved in, like drug dealing, and illegal activities, and this is what puts a lot of young men in prison.
Also the war on drugs is designed to target drug dealers, and the criminal justice system in general gives harsher sentences to black drug dealers than to white, simply because some judges and jurors are racist, or because they can't afford a good lawyer, etc.
The main problem, is that it's easier to get drugs in the ghetto than to get books.
If you have no access to books, how are you going to educate yourself? I suppose with the internet, but once again not everyone is internet saavy, or is going to be an internet nerd.
That does not explain the overall general increase in dropouts over the last 20 years.
Gangsta rape.
Idolizing Gangsta rapsters.
Also, America was built by people who lived in, at the time, advanced civilizations. These people had long running European traditions and institutions that continued this advancement. Other people who have similar institutions, like the Chinese, found integration relatively easy in the early USA. They came they worked they used their connections and they prospered. I often notice how people from China command such large chunks of capitol in Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia. No accident there.
Anyway, the slave trade. Africans were forced from jungle villages to live on plantations in squalor and were never properly integrated.
When they were freed they were still not properly integrated.
They are still not properly integrated.
Every small little decision from deciding not to leave the dishes on the counter to demanding a child get high marks in school etc.. adds up to equal success. For many African Americans these cultural nuances have never been properly learned because they were never a part of their culture 5 generations ago and are still not a part.
Add to this a society with small minded bigoted people who are not willing to place mental trust in a person with black skin and the disintegration continues on it's merry way.
Compare with 5th generation African-English.
They are English.
They sound British.
They think British.
They are British. They are integrated into society and successful.
And African English with a posh accent would probably get his arse kicked in Black America. I know because one of my close childhood friends would have to change his normal demeanor and accent to black innercity dooshbag every time we went into the innercity. If not he said he'd probably get cut and I'd probably get shot. And actually, once I came about 5 seconds from getting a bullet in my head. I was Lucky. Without huge loss of personal freedom and a massive police state with so many billions so as to make the Iraq war look like pocket change, the situation is not changing.
Michael
OK,
back to relaity. I have live in and around many of these inner city 'ghettos' and interacted with all types.
as i already stated, there are temptation not to mention the appeal to a young person to go the wrong way instead of working hard. not to mention many of the parents are drug users or something else is wrong.
to prove the post above this is wrong is to look at all the successful black families with nice homes, good\decent jobs etc. who among is is effected psychologically from an ancestors abuse from 200 years ago? NONE, you may not even know who they were.
back to relaity. I have live in and around many of these inner city 'ghettos' and interacted with all types.
as i already stated, there are temptation not to mention the appeal to a young person to go the wrong way instead of working hard. not to mention many of the parents are drug users or something else is wrong.
to prove the post above this is wrong is to look at all the successful black families with nice homes, good\decent jobs etc. who among is is effected psychologically from an ancestors abuse from 200 years ago? NONE, you may not even know who they were.
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John99, I moved into the neighborhood. Not near the city. In it. I lived there for 5 years. You know, where people get shot with real bullets and die. Where the freedom to own a gun actually means something real to your life. Where you speak to your black neighbor and he tells you you are the very first white person to ever speak to him in his entire f*cking life outside of here's your big gulp sir.
Yeah, Black families that have moved out of the Black neighborhoods and live in the white-ish suburbs. Are those the families you are talking about? Yeah, see how they act IF they have any innercity friends when they are in the city. Go along with them for a drink in an all black inner city bar this Friday night and tell us what it was like.
My buddy Anthony's cousin is Andre Rison. Sure, some people make it. They lived poor but his mother, as I understand, worked her arse off and he went to MSU and she brainwashed him from a baby that he was going to be a pro football player and he made it. Most don't as you will soon find out this Friday night.
Michael
Yeah, Black families that have moved out of the Black neighborhoods and live in the white-ish suburbs. Are those the families you are talking about? Yeah, see how they act IF they have any innercity friends when they are in the city. Go along with them for a drink in an all black inner city bar this Friday night and tell us what it was like.
My buddy Anthony's cousin is Andre Rison. Sure, some people make it. They lived poor but his mother, as I understand, worked her arse off and he went to MSU and she brainwashed him from a baby that he was going to be a pro football player and he made it. Most don't as you will soon find out this Friday night.
Michael
Yes. And yes again.