Might Makes Right. How to Survive Capitalism.

How is dependence on private businesses different from dependence on anything?

A human being should be completely self-sufficient. Back to the stone age with all of us!

Or better yet: Screw dependence on food. Let us die!
 
No. Your IQ is low. You have proven it with every post I have seen from you. You know nothing. EVERY statement you have yet made is an illogical fallacy. I have yet to see you make a hint of an intellectual comment.

Pay attention fool, and read carefully. Capitalism beat communism, it's over, it's done. Capitalism works, it definately works, but our current form is incomplete and inefficient. Capitalism exists to organize the masses, it MUST exist, and you know it must exist, because without it, we'd have x2 as many criminals as we have now, as all those guys and gals who work at corporations generating tax dollars and revenue, would still be doing the same sorta stuff without capitalism with the only difference being that you'd have no laws, no rules, and no contracts, it would truly be even worse under complete anarchy than under capitalism.

Capitalism is an organizing tool, if you want to see an example, here is a website, learn more about economics, in fact do some studying before you and others make posts which say capitalism is wrong when you don't even know why it exists.

http://www.schumachersociety.org/
http://www.ecobooks.com/books/smbeaut.htm
http://www.schumachersociety.org/share_microcredit.html
Read it and maybe you'll learn something. The planet is organized for maximum efficiency of human energy. This is why capitalism exists. It has been tested against communism, and while communism is more fair, and perhaps better designed, it did not pass the efficiency test, or the human nature test, as capitalism is designed for humans as they currently exist, while communism is designed for the ideal man or woman. Capitalism won because it did not require unity, or cooperation, it simply requires you to want stuff, and be willing to go through the process of working to get it. If capitalism did not exist, people would steal what they want, so capitalism gives people a way to get what they want while also giving other people what they want.

Capitalism is here to stay. Humans are not ready for communism, maybe you are, but the rest of the human family is not, so whatever system we develop must be developed for the majority of the human family, based on common nature, not our best, or worst nature, but only the nature which is most common. Later on you can branch out to make capitalism more efficient for those of our best or worst nature. The ideal is for everyone to benefit society and the world, and for everyone to do more good than harm. People are working to achieve this as we speak, and your crazy talk about how capitalism is BAD, your anarchist talk, in my opinion, is not helpful to people who know we need capitalism and want to make it more efficient.

I highly suggest that you read the links I gave you, and learn about economics, learn that economics and efficiency can be used to improve the environment, or to destroy it, and that you have a choice because it's just a tool. Learn what money REALLY is, and understand that money will exist even if it's not paper, and even if you don't call it capitalism. Money is how we organize human energy, the energy of your labor is to be represented by money, and this organization is essential to any civilization and to any society, otherwise it will quickly become a prison. Freedom exists in a free market. If you want to live under communism, move to North Korea.
 
How is dependence on private businesses different from dependence on anything?

A human being should be completely self-sufficient. Back to the stone age with all of us!

Or better yet: Screw dependence on food. Let us die!

That's just it. It's impossible for humans to be self sufficient. It's 100% absolutely and infinately impossible. All humans and all living things are interdependent. There are no independent lifeforms because all lifeforms are connected and are actually one. You are one with the animals. You are one with the plants. The foodchain proves that all living things are connected. You get your energy from the sun just as all other mammals, and parasites get their energy from you, and you get your energy from eating life, and this is the natural process of energy transfer. All energy comes from sunlight, starting with plants.

Money represents energy and time, it's time and energy, the paper has no meaning, it's what that paper represents!

Barter would exist if paper money did not. Gold would be used if paper money became too inefficient or worthless.

Paper money is only used while it's useful, and while people believe in it, it's very much like religion, it's real because we agree to make it real. Assume that it's part of human nature and will always be real, and by assuming this, and by understanding what money really is, it should be easier for you to figure out how to make money. It's simple, in order to get rich, you have to figure out how to save people time and energy, because if your product saves time and energy, they'll spend their money because they are getting a "deal".
 
TimeTraveler;The planet is organized for maximum efficiency of human energy. This is why capitalism exists.[/QUOTE said:
What a moron.
The planet is organized for mass destruction. That is the effect of capitalism.
Capitalism is the direct opposite of maximum efficiency.
Capitalism = Maximum inefficiency.
Capitalism = Maximum brain deficiancy.
 
I find it funny that how to 'fix' capitalism is by implementing a system with supreme control of indiviudals. Let's solve the problem of might making right... with more might!
 
Well, Roman, if you want to fix anything, you've got to get work done. And physics tells us work over time equals power.

I think what CS is trying to say is that w/t is somehow morally wrong. That is definitely funny.
 
Supreme control of individuals is what capitalism is about. That is how the plutocracy works to make capitalism function. Those that are useful are sent to economic processing zones for slave labor. Anybody that is not is sent to the dumpsters to live a life on the outskirts of civilization and economic processing zones.

4 classes of human social stratification:
Plutocracy
Slave Handlers
Slaves
Garbage

This is the world as we know it today.
Thank you crappytalism.
 
What a moron.
The planet is organized for mass destruction. That is the effect of capitalism.
Capitalism is the direct opposite of maximum efficiency.
Capitalism = Maximum inefficiency.
Capitalism = Maximum brain deficiancy.

Take a class on economics, learn how the world is organized. Even roaches and ants have an economy, they have an organizing system, capitalism just happens to be the best way to organize humans.

If it's not perfect, ADD TO IT, don't destroy the only organizing software that we have as a species, you anarchy loving communist!

What people need to understand is, without capitalism or communism or some ism, we'd be in a constant physical war of all against all. Without capitalism we'd be in the stone age, it's what allowed us to build civilization, it's old. Now we can change the way it's organized into an older more decentralized tribal capitalism, but the system must exist.
 
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I would say that you are stuck within a society of capitalistic values and your only escape is to capture the carrot on the end of the stick. Or you can find work that you enjoy, working with people whom you like, and taking pleasure in those things that you value. Your money will depreciate faster than you can earn it, but there's always that dream of retirement prior to death.

I honestly believe that if you want the money and have a passion for it, it will be yours.
 
I would say that you are stuck within a society of capitalistic values and your only escape is to capture the carrot on the end of the stick. Or you can find work that you enjoy, working with people whom you like, and taking pleasure in those things that you value. Your money will depreciate faster than you can earn it, but there's always that dream of retirement prior to death.

I honestly believe that if you want the money and have a passion for it, it will be yours.


It's actually not even that bad. I mean, here is the problem, people who don't know how to make money, and who don't know that the world is filled with good and bad people, they like to blame systems like capitalism for the efficiency. This is like blaming communism or anything else. Capitalism CAN be efficient, and maybe if this guy went to school and got a degree or Phd in economics, he could focus on making it more efficient, but instead he wants to attack capitalism itself and I think thats stupid.

If you think the world is not efficient, make it more efficient, but don't blame free trade or capitalism, both which are neccessary for any kind of efficiency. I mean, I understand why some people like communism, it looks great on paper, it would be a great system if we actually had people like this, but right now most people arent altruistic enough and can't cooperate, so capitalism is the only system that humanity is ready for.

I suggest, that this person, focus on making the system we have more efficient instead of focusing on removing the only thing which holds society in place. The only thing keeping the people with all the guns from robbing you for a living, is because they can make money and get what they want in capitalism. If there were no capitalism, you have to explain how people will get what they want?
 
An efficient world is a world where everyone can get what they want, with minimal effort. Figure out how to make the world like this from within the capitalist system.
 
Yes, lixluke I agree with Time Traveler it really seems liek you have no idea what you are talking about. You seem to know nothing about economics, and you make no argument. Rather, you viciously attack capitalism using different words but you do not back it up in any way or present any kind of logical argument. You just assume blatantly wrong ideas such as
Capitalism = Maximum inefficiency.
Capitalism = Maximum brain deficiancy.

I dont understand how a rational human being can actually think that. If you are arguing capitalism as in what the US has, you at least have a little bit of a point because the US does not have perfect capitalism becasue it is impossible. But you can not argue that Pure/Perfect Competition results in maximum inefficiency that is just absurd. Learn one fucking thing about economics and you will find that the defenition of pure competition is a system where everyone maximizes their benefits.

Seriously, I have no idea how a person can actually think the way you think.
 
I think the basic point of socialism was about having those things that you NEED. Capitalism in America does that and much more, but it has also become a concept of mass consumption. It creates many cool things and promotes many advances, but it also creates a demand where there was none. And wealth does buy independence for many.

I suppose it is a measure of our quality of life: does a fifty dollar pair of jeans really make us feel better than those that cost ten dollars?

Until we find something better and grow beyond the present, capitalism is probably the best game in town. Communism just has not worked. We have seen the examples.
 
Take a class on economics, learn how the world is organized. Even roaches and ants have an economy, they have an organizing system, capitalism just happens to be the best way to organize humans.

If it's not perfect, ADD TO IT, don't destroy the only organizing software that we have as a species, you anarchy loving communist!

What people need to understand is, without capitalism or communism or some ism, we'd be in a constant physical war of all against all. Without capitalism we'd be in the stone age, it's what allowed us to build civilization, it's old. Now we can change the way it's organized into an older more decentralized tribal capitalism, but the system must exist.
I suggest you go take a class in logic because EVERYTHING this post is not only false, but COMPLETELY violates any logical reasoning.
 
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Learn one fucking thing about economics and you will find that the defenition of pure competition is a system where everyone maximizes their benefits.
Because you have no basis in logic.
Capitalism is the most inefficient system there is. Capitalism = destruction and chaos. It is pure inefficiency at its best.
 
Maybe capitalism is not pure inefficiency but there is the trend that you pay more for less in a pure capitalist system without consumer protectionist laws in place.

In europe many originally state owned companies such as public transport system have been sold to the highest bidder. The first thing that occurs is an increase in price and a reduction of services. The company has to make profit after all. The trend has been to sell to the highest bidder. The one that has to make most profit.

A similar phenomenon you see in the European housing market. Traditionally in many european countries there are non-profit organizations that rent out appartments. Their rents are much lower than those of commerical enterprises. Actually within the European Union they are trying to pass a law that forbids non-profit renting agencies because they apparently have an unfair advantage: lower rents. A prime example of lunacy and the increased corruption of the political system by capitalistic influences.

The main problem of commercial enterprises is of course that the main aim is to make profit. All other considerations are secondary. Sometimes that results in advantages for the average person, but often not.

The non-profit organization will always have an advantage in the renting market for instance. The same overhead. No need to siphon off money towards stock holders. No need to demand fixed renting contracts. No need for high salary management. No need to hire the best leeches available.
 
I suggest you go take a class in logic because EVERYTHING this post is not only false, but COMPLETELY violates any logical reasoning.

No capitalism means it will be logical for me to just take whatever I want from you, because that would be the only way to get what I want.

Capitalism allows me to get what I want, while also allowing you to get what you want, in a way which benefits us both.
 
Wrong. Capitalism is the means of production in private hands.

Capitalism does not allow crap other than the destruction of earth and the enslavement of the individual so that the rich can get their wants which are unlimited. It is a primitive bag of stupidity disguised as a legitimate economic system. Technically, capitalism is total garbo.
 
Well, Roman, if you want to fix anything, you've got to get work done. And physics tells us work over time equals power.

I think what CS is trying to say is that w/t is somehow morally wrong. That is definitely funny.

I find it exeedingly hilarious.
 
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