Masturbation is for Losers

[Lori_7]

Isn't that something that Christians were known to be fond of doing to mostly women in the past?




Ya.. it shows..

So tell me Lori, did Jesus tell you to pick up the box of Lamisil, most probably stolen (as even you have admitted it is a prescribed medication) and dumped, from the trash?


How very Christian of you.

Yea, the whole point of my post about this was that He put it there for me. How in the hell did you miss that? I did not say it was prescribed...I'm pretty sure I said it was prescription strength (said on the box "now available without a prescription", or something like that). And what was your point exactly? Right, nothing. Hard to believe that so you guys are so up in arms about some jock itch spray. Oh that's right, it's not the spray...

 

[Lori_7]

1) For your prayers to have been answered, (and some guy to drop medicine outside your house), it would mean that some humans free will had been removed by god all because of your demands.

No it doesn't. God's will is done given our free will. It was my free will to pray. Whoever's free will to trash the jock itch spray. The kid's free will to dig it out of the trash or wherever they found it and try to grafitti with it. Their free will to throw it in my yard when they were done being disappointed by it. My free will to pick it up and use it or throw it back in the trash from whence it came. And God's free will to answer my prayer...of course I'm going to use it.

2) The property does not belong to you. By taking and using it you are just as guilty as the person that originally stole it.

Who stole it? Was it stolen? I don't know and neither do you. I said that I assumed it probably had been based upon the packaging.

3) By not handing it in to the authorities, or at least trying to find the owner, you are clearly demonstrating that your only care in this instance is for your own wellbeing.

What you're suggesting is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Ok, after the cops stopped laughing their fat asses off at me, I would have been told to dispose of the jock itch spray, and to not bring trash that people dump in my yard, into the police station again. I mean, if it had been a wallet, or a diamond ring or something valuable, then I most certainly would have turned it in....but a package of jock itch spray? Are you nuts? Pardon the pun, but honestly, what are you not getting here? It was trash. Just like the other 5 pick up loads full of crap that people have dumped into my yard over the past 13 years. If I tried to find the rightful owner of all of that shit, I'd go nuts. Shit I would have to be nuts to even consider such a thing. The whole point of someone dumping shit into my yard is because they don't want it...get it?

4) By making demands of god in the first place so he would then remove someone's free will, and provide you with stolen goods clearly demonstrates that your only care in this instance is for yourself.

And you are clearly demonstrating that you're an idiot. Praying is not an offense, and it does not remove anyone's free will. You just like saying that because it somehow makes you feel better about your rejection of God. The truth is that it is an offense to not pray. To not pray and to reject God is the selfish thing to do.

Of course, if you'd prefer to just keep avoiding the issue, feel free to continue accusing me of hatred and whatever else your imagination can conjure up.

Oh yea, your hatred is all in my imagination. You don't hate Christians at all. My bad.

Also, I am still curious as to why, if you consider yourself sane, you would apply testicle cream to your back, and also if that cream had have instead been a heroin needle whether you would have injected it and claimed it a prayer answered by god.

Wtf? Man, I'm seriously starting to worry about you. This is ridiculous. First of all, we're talking about a broad spectrum anti-fungal. Sometimes it's used orally, as in the toenail fungus medicine, and sometimes it's used topically as jock itch spray. For all I know, it could be packaged for other anti-fungal uses as well. But fungus is fungus, and just like a broad spectrum antibiotic can be used for a variety of symptoms, so can an anti-fungal. If I had gone to the doctor, I could have been prescribed an oral anti-fungal that is packaged for vaginal yeast infections. The topical vaginal cream can also be used for the rash...so can athlete's foot medications...and jock itch sprays. They are all broad spectrum anti-fungals. There is none that is specifically packaged for candidiasis rashes...that's why you have to use jock itch spray and athlete's foot spray and vaginal yeast infection treatments for it. I had tried other topical creams, and holistic natural remedies, as I said before, to no avail. My only other option was to take the oral medication, which is extremely expensive and has to be prescribed. I don't have health insurance right now, so even more expensive. Sooo, God dropped off some over the counter jock itch spray that seems to be working very well.

The only way that you can make an analogy with the heroin, is if I had maybe say, been in a war, and was laying on the battle field with my leg blown off from a land mine, and a needle of heroin got dropped right next to me. Otherwise, what your suggesting makes no sense whatsoever. Fact is that it wasn't a needle of heroin, but a pack of anti-fungal medication. Which I would still like to know the odds of happening. Because I don't need an actuary to know that if I had played these kinds of odds in Las Vegas, I would have won a bazillion dollars.

 

[Lori_7]

Bitch.

lmao.

 

[Lori_7]

the father of the chosen people had numerous wives... I'd call that an endorsement.

Call it what you want, it makes no difference. You obviously have no understanding of the Bible.

"It's the difference between quitting, and falling off the wagon"

when a drunk falls off the wagon they have to start counting over.

What exactly is your point? What is your arguement? Do you even have one? Who is counting? I gave an accurate description of my habits. An accurate description of a change in my habits over time. What exactly are you contending with?

Woe be to us when its ok to clamor incorrectly in a science forum.
Hmmm, calling a detractor juvenile seems to be your MO.
wrong is wrong. I find it more telling that you've labored under your
self-imposed celibacy without knowing how to spell the word.

I can spell the word "petty". Get an argument already. You people scare me.

 

[Lori_7]

It's a spouse's duty to have sex with you? Surely there's more to marriage than that?

That's what the word says. I would hope that the extent of one's marrital relationship did not solely consist of sexual intercourse but, you can share expenses with a roomate, you can talk to your girlfriends, play with your boyfriends, seek advice from friends and family members, and you can always masturbate. You can love your mom and dad, brothers and sisters, you can love your friends, and you can love humanity. To me, sex and the intimacy that is associated with it is what distinguishes the covenant of marriage.

I'd say that many people would disagree with you. Masterbation is enjoyable. If it wasn't, then people wouldn't do it. I think the only people who don't enjoy masterbation are the ones who feel guilty about it. And usually, that's for religious reasons - they think that God has something against it and that they are committing a sin by doing it, even though it is enjoyable at the time.

That's cool. It wouldn't be the first time many people disagreed with me. To me, it's not about guilt, it's about a huge dissatisfaction. Committing a sin? Shit, who's counting? Sin is a nature...you're committing sin regardless of what you do. If the only reason that you do or don't do something is to arbitrarily follow some rule that you don't understand...like you're being forced into it...then it's meaningless. God isn't into following rules for the sake of following rules. That's the whole reason that we're born into a sinful nature in the first place...so that we can experience and learn from it...and gain knowledge, and understanding. Not so that we can be some mindless, spoon-fed drones.

You said before that God wants us to have fulfilling sex with another person - perhaps a spouse. But can't we have both? Why can't we have a great sex life with a committed partner AND the occasional wank? What's the harm if the masterbation is just an occasional addition which doesn't take away from the "proper", God-sanctioned sex?

Dude, in this life, you can do whatever strikes your fancy. "Proper, God-sanctioned sex" huh? I'd like to hear your definition of such a thing. lol.

In an ideal world, perhaps, all sex would be great and fulfilling, and a real bonding experience. But in the real world, many people don't treat it like that. Some people just like to have sex, with no emotional content at all.

Eureka, my point is understood...and that is that people settle. People have their reasons. But in the real world, I know that nothing is impossible with God, and because of that, I no longer have to settle. It's cool.

If you pick up somebody in a nightclub for some anonymous sex, is that really better than staying at home and masterbating?

I don't know, is it?

But you're saying that masterbation is bad, whether or not you mean any harm by it. And I can't really see how masterbation harms anybody, most of the time. Can you?

I didn't say that masturbation was "bad". I said that masturbation is for losers who can't get a date. I defined it as settling for something much less fulfilling than what God has to offer you. Don't you think that settling for something substandard is harmful to you? You only have one life...one shlong...why not make the best of it huh? Life is too short to have cheap sex. Do you like Warsteiner? I do. And I find that I'm just not interested in drinking Bud Light anymore, you know?

 

[Godless]

I'm going to side with Lori on finding this crap in her yard. Really if she lives in a dump & people use it, what harm is it, if she finds that is something useful?

However though she took it as a sign from god, that she was meant to have this med. This not only delusional but outright belittles an omnipotent beign. In my opinion if god had anything to do with answering prayers, you should have just healed 'misteriously' without any intervention of men's meds.

But I don't think of you as thief, more like a scavanger of your dweling, which unfortuanately happens to be a dump.

Godless

 

[Happeh]

Happeh:

I hate to burst that bubble you're living in, but so far you haven't said anything even remotely 'powerful'. You are doing what we refer to in England as: "talking utter bollocks".

You can pull that stuff on Lori. It doesn't work on me. We have exchanged maybe 4 posts. It is literally impossible for you to make an intelligent judgement one way or the other. I don't care if you are god. You need to actually talk to me about the details of what I say before you can make that statement. You are free to make the statement now. It has no meaning. No weight behind it.

So, once you're done with all the verbal diarrhea any chance you could provide some evidence for your claims?

Why? You call what I say verbal diarrhea. Why would I cooperate with you?

Justify this statement. Why "must" I trust you?

If you are interested in learning. If you are only interested in hurting people, you don't have to do anything.

It's worth pointing out to you that I am a doctor.

Bullshit. If you are a doctor, and you talked to lori the way you did, you should have your license revoked and you should be sent to a job you are more suited for. Garbage pickup would suit your mouth very well.

As a result of that, when you make claims you need to provide evidence if you expect to get anywhere.

Do you understand?

What I understand is you do a good impersonation of a dick. If you were interested in having a conversation, I have no problem with that. If you think the conversation is going to be me being reasonable and you doing your evil act.....I have much better things to do.

This entire statement does the exact opposite of reassuring me that you have put any thought into it.

Darn. I will ponder that while I sit on the toilet tomorrow morning.

I didn't treat Lori in any manner, other than to inform her that her actions were immoral, and that as a consequence to her actions other people could be suffering needlessly.

Let's stick to the facts here:

The fact is you are an evil, woman abusing bully. Your posts to me confirm that you are a bully. If I was a woman, you would talk to me as you did to lori. I reiterate I have never heard anyone speak as evilly as you did to her except in movies about killers and monsters.

If you consider debate and someone informing you of errors or misjudgements as "hurt" and "evil", then fine, ignore me and stay protected.

You are purposeful hurtful when you do not have to be. We all know that. Your protestations fool no one. You can disagree with someone or correct them. Or you can try to kill them, which is what you do with every sentence and paragraph. You literally try to kill the other person's spirit.

I still think you torture animals for pleasure.

But hey, you don't even have to talk to me. Just provide the evidence and we're done.

I don't think so. I would rather allow you to tell everyone that you are victorius than deal with you. I am feeling naseous just reading this one post of yours.

Alas my friend, it is not. The same goes for father christmas, the tooth fairy and tragically even Lenny the leprechaun.

I know, it's a cute little way to rationalise all the bad things that happen on this planet, indeed to put a 'face' to evil - but you must understand by now that these beings are not real beings?

Friend? I suppose so. I am a friend to good and evil. As for the rest of it. Keep believeing you know it all. You will continue to drive away the people that could educate you about what like is truly about. You deserve to live in the world you do. It is punishment for your attitude.

That's debate, Happeh. It wasn't an attack. Being the direct kind of person I am, if I intended to attack her it would be done in one sentence. What I did do was push some facts her way in the hope that it would improve upon her level of morality. Moral humans do not steal from others, do not deprive owners of their property, do not demand that sky beings remove people's free will. And to add to that, it should also be said that sane people do not apply testicle cream to their backs.

Your ability to twist things is highly developed.

Now you are just being plain silly. I would advise you stop watching Buffy for a while.

Why is that silly. What does that have to do with Buffy? This is a perfect example of why you are a buffoon. You have no idea what I am really talking about. I wrote one paragraph. You know none of the details. Yet you are certain that you can make the above statement with absolute assurance.

You have no clue and you give people assurances based on nothing.

Or perhaps it's just an indication that they agree with you. 0_o

Perhaps. In your world. The one where you know everything and anyone who says different is to have their spirit assasinated by you.

And therefore your statement that I'm the worst you've seen doesn't really mean much.

There you go making those absolute statements again. You have no idea who I have seen and who I have not seen. You know absolutley nothing about me. Everyone reading this thread can see that we have exchanged maybe 4 posts that included no details about the bad men I have seen in my life.



You know what Snakelord. (Your name has nothing to do with your penchant for hurting, does it? Not a psychological showing of your subconscious urges, is it?") I am going to start a new leaf with you.

I am a loyal kind of person who does not believe in leaving people behind. Even ugly people. I think everyone deserves a chance. Many people disagree with me. They tell me I am wasting my time, my energy, and the short years of my life. I said no. I have to be loyal because that is me. All of this took place years ago. I have gone my way and the other people went theirs.

I picked up a religious book the other day. I opened it up to a random section and began to read. What do you think it said? It said "Do not waste your godliness on those who do not appreciate it". Or something to that effect.

I think I read that to prepare me for you. It is about time I change my life. Being loyal to bad people is a waste of time. It does take away my spirituality from me. I could spend time working with you in an attempt to help out. Then I would lose some of my spirituality thru nothing more than contact with your negativity.

I know you will be making sarcastic comments and shooting all this down. It is OK. That is what faith is about. I don't care what you say. I have faith. I know it is your job to do evil. It is one of those things in life you have to deal with like picking boogers out of your nose.

 

[Happeh]

1) For your prayers to have been answered, (and some guy to drop medicine outside your house), it would mean that some humans free will had been removed by god all because of your demands.

So what? You say that like she murdered a baby or something.

2) The property does not belong to you. By taking and using it you are just as guilty as the person that originally stole it.

There is no proof it was stolen. Lori said she thought it might have been stolen. It could just as easily have been thrown away. If it was thrown away, this entire shebang you are going on about is meaningless.

3) By not handing it in to the authorities, or at least trying to find the owner, you are clearly demonstrating that your only care in this instance is for your own wellbeing.

Get real. You are being unreasonable. Return a box of some medicine found in the garbage to the police? They would look at here like she was crazy. They would ask her what she thought she was doing turning in garbage at the police station. Lori would say "Snakelord told me to". The cops would say "Tell snakelord this is a police station, not a garbage dump".

4) By making demands of god in the first place so he would then remove someone's free will, and provide you with stolen goods clearly demonstrates that your only care in this instance is for yourself.

You call this debate? This is just evil shit. I am serious. What is the point in saying something like this. Making demands of God? That is hilarious. Religions that believe in gods always discuss how the adherents of the religion are supposed to talk to god. Then god does what he wants. If God agreed with you Snakelord, then Lori would never have received the medicine. She has the medicine so this entire paper argument you have built up is wrong. Totally wrong.

Of course, if you'd prefer to just keep avoiding the issue, feel free to continue accusing me of hatred and whatever else your imagination can conjure up.

There is no conjuring involved. You are setting up this evil trap based on false premises. There is NO proof the material in question is stolen. Your entire case is built on that. You want lori to step into this trap so that you can then smash her spirit. You try to manipulate her by playing on her feelings of responsibility. Why would anyone step into a trap that was going to allow some person to smash their spirit? Lori is smart, not avoiding the issue.

Also, I am still curious as to why, if you consider yourself sane, you would apply testicle cream to your back, and also if that cream had have instead been a heroin needle whether you would have injected it and claimed it a prayer answered by god.

See? This is more evil shit. Why are you questioning her sanity? What does sane or insane have to do with putting testicle cream on her back? You say that as if it is acid or something. The cream is for a specific condition. The condition is usually found on the testicles.

If the condition is found somewhere else, the cream is just as effective. Just because it is a different spot on the body did not render the ingredients of the medicine inactive or change it into some kind of dangerous material.

That shit about questioning her sanity is meant to try to hurt her. You want to get under her skin, get into her mind, so you can do maximum damage.

Are you sick? Are you in pain? Is that what is driving you to this? It is very common for sick or in pain people to try to put the pain or sickness on someone else. It is not very nice but it is understandable.

 

[Happeh]

Oh man. This is the kind of crap that mothers tell their little boys to stop them from playing with their willy. But since you've made this highly medical and scientific claim , where's your proof? Medical and scientific journal article kind of proof?

Not crap. No scientific journals. My opinion is this knowledge is purposefully suppressed so that people will destroy themselves. If you think masturbation is fine, you will masturbate away until you destroy yourself. Then it is too late. You cannot get back what you have lost.

LOL! Please show me scientific proof that extensive masturbation can cause a person to become gay and/or cause the so called 'invisible' symptoms that you so stupidly claimed.

They are only invisible to the untrained. If I took you to a construction site, could you tell me which construction is up to code and which is not? I doubt it. To you, the stuff not in code would be "invisible". Not because it is imaginary, but because you are "blind" to the signs. You have no training so you see nothing.

Because right now you are coming off sounding like a lunatic and a gormless idiot. Now I have been a member of this forum for quite a while and I've seen some pure and utter crap written, and this one is right up there in the pathetic crap tray.

Why? Why is it so hard to believe? Didn't you ever hear that old wives tale, "Don't play with yourself or you will go blind"?

I think I might have another 'symptom' to add to your list... lack of masturbation has turned you into a twit who posts stupid claims as 'symptoms' on internet forums and deserves to be treated with nothing but contempt...

Yes. You have done a good job of treating me with contempt. You are wrong. I am tired. I don't feel like arguing.

 

[Happeh]

Happeh sez:

You and I both know that when God dumps those things in your lap, it is because he wants you to have them

So, you are of the mind that anything you come across that isn't nailed down is yours for the taking, as long as you justify it with the voices in your head.

You are good at exaggeration eh? Of course that is not true. If I go to the store and stumble across items, I take them to the cash register and pay for them. If I stumble on other people's property at their house, I admire it.

We are talking about special situations which you don't care about.

I like the way you say "voices in your head". It is making me laugh. You are saying that like it is a denigrating thing to say. At one point in my life I would have agreed with you. Now I just smile and wonder when it will be your turn to learn what life is really about.

 

[Huwy]

I think christianity is for losers. Deluded losers.

Its quite obvious that Lori has some pride/shame dissonance going on.
Pride about the "wiggle wiggle boom" as she put it, proud enough to tell us all, but ashamed about the "dirty"/"sinful" thoughts she obviously had, probably about men and their bodies etc - guilt brought on by the christian shame.

Trying to hide her real agenda by making some kind of adolescent statement about "losers" really isn't going to work on the people in this forum.

I have a feeling she's actually jealous. Obviously other people's orgasms are much more satisfying than hers - but all she got out of it was wiggle wiggle boom, 2 seconds - as she put it.
Lori perhaps you should see a sex therapist? Try your local priest, he'll sort you out.

 

[Lori_7]

Godless, why is there so much insulting? Why do you seem to just jump at the chance? Can you explain that to me?

I don't live in a dump. For my modest means, and for what I've been through since I've moved here, I've done ok for myself. I'm not the most tidy person in the world, but as I've said, I've actually cleaned up what criminals have illegally dumped into my yard. I've actually cleaned up my neighbors yards as well. I bought this property when I was 24 years old. It had been section 8 rental property, and was indeed a dump. It took me a month just to clean the inside of the apartment upstairs. I thought that the downstairs apartment couldn't possibly be as bad, but it was worse. The yard was non-existant...landscape overgrown for eons...it was a trashy jungle. But it was in my price range straight out of college, and I'm an optimistic person. It had potential. It was built in the 20's...10 foot ceilings, with crown moldings, and all kinds of woodwork that would be expensive as hell to put into a new house nowadays. Two fireplaces, hardwood floors, stained glass windows. I've put a lot of money into it, and a lot of hard work. It still needs so much help, but since my divorce, I haven't had the motivation.


I want to know where the animosity comes from. Not just from you, but from others as well. It just seems like some of you jump at the chance to condemn and belittle...to assume the worst, and to insult. Why is that?

I really wish that you guys weren't so mean. Cause mean people suck.

ps...Hey Zendrake...Godless spelled cruising wrong. Aren't you going to jump his shit and try to make him feel dumb and worthless because he misspelled a word, or do you just save that treatment for christians? And just so you know, that was a rhetorical question.

 

[Huwy]

I believe that your "God" may be somewhere in here!!
http://www.yalemedicalgroup.org/images/dxrad/mri-brain.jpg

 

[leopold]

I think christianity is for losers. Deluded losers.

i can't speak for christianity but religion in general is sorely needed by our society.

 

[Huwy]

Hmm maybe the people in this forum are pissed of because christians have been condemning and belittling others for hundreds of years - and continue to do so, even though we now know the world is round?
What right do they have to have criticised and insulted people for so long?
Oh that's right, "god" gave them that right, because they "love" him.

 

[Lori_7]

Hmm maybe the people in this forum are pissed of because christians have been condemning and belittling others for hundreds of years - and continue to do so, even though we now know the world is round?
What right do they have to have criticised and insulted people for so long?
Oh that's right, "god" gave them that right, because they "love" him.

Then they are no better than these christians are. Two wrongs make a right? I doubt it if anyone on this board gets more pissed off at religious hypocrits than I do, and I'm born again...because I'm born again. I'd say that it's time to stop laying blame and be responsible for one's own self. I think it's a cop out, and a lame one at that.

 

[leopold]

I want to know where the animosity comes from. Not just from you, but from others as well. It just seems like some of you jump at the chance to condemn and belittle...to assume the worst, and to insult. Why is that?

they are probably like i was, thought they could help you see things objectively. i made the choice to leave for awhile to collect my wits. they stayed.
or some people are fucking numbnuts who don't give a shit for anything except their post count and when are they getting laid.
or they just purchased some bad ass weed.smoked some and have forgotten where they are.
or maybe it's you but i doubt it. fuck 'em

 

[Jaybee from his cast]

Hi Happeh,

You've made some very interesting points, and while I do not agree with your general standpoint, I do admire the courage of your convictions, if not the actual convictions.

Now, you likened the damage to the human body from masturbation as that to a building on a construction site. I myself do not work in the construction trade but I DO know, from my own experiences, how to spot tell-tale signs of costly work later.

By the same token, could you tell me what the external signs on the body are of masturbation? Furthermore, do these indicators become more detectable as masturbation continues? In my own experience, I have noticed a softening of skin tone after frequent masturbation, and a subsequent tightening after prolonged periods without sex of any kind, resulting in a slightly more youthful appearance. The latter would be an indication that nature may be attempting to increase my appeal to the other gender, and after semen is emitted then re-allocates the needed nutrients to other, non-sexual requirements.

I care more about what is right than who is right. If you have an evidentially compelling case for the reduction/cessation of masturbation, I will take the time to investigate your findings. If my own research then confirms your views, I will espouse them.

Jaybee.

 

[Lori_7]

they are probably like i was, thought they could help you see things objectively. i made the choice to leave for awhile to collect my wits. they stayed.
or some people are fucking numbnuts who don't give a shit for anything except their post count and when are they getting laid.
or they just purchased some bad ass weed.smoked some and have forgotten where they are.
or maybe it's you but i doubt it. fuck 'em

Aw, thanks leo. I feel better now.

ps...It could be me...lol.

 

[Lori_7]

I think christianity is for losers. Deluded losers.

Its quite obvious that Lori has some pride/shame dissonance going on.
Pride about the "wiggle wiggle boom" as she put it, proud enough to tell us all, but ashamed about the "dirty"/"sinful" thoughts she obviously had, probably about men and their bodies etc - guilt brought on by the christian shame.

Trying to hide her real agenda by making some kind of adolescent statement about "losers" really isn't going to work on the people in this forum.

I have a feeling she's actually jealous. Obviously other people's orgasms are much more satisfying than hers - but all she got out of it was wiggle wiggle boom, 2 seconds - as she put it.
Lori perhaps you should see a sex therapist? Try your local priest, he'll sort you out.

My local priest!?!?! Yea, I'm sure he would just love to "sort me out". You obviously haven't read a word I've said. It just goes to show that it doesn't really matter what the truth is, or what I testify to. People already have their minds made up about what they want to believe. It's a shame.