Buddha1 said:
I want proof of that! I want you to prove that every-single-body, in 'your' country, is married.Good luck with that!!
Masculinity and men
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I want proof of that! I want you to prove that every-single-body, in 'your' country, is married.Good luck with that!!
Let's take no. 4 on the list:
BIG SIZE OF PENIS:
Does that reflect natural masculinity? Is it a sign of one's being masculine? an abundance of male/ hormones, testosterne perhaps?
On the opposite side, is a small penis sign of femininity --- lack of male hormones --- testosterone!
BIG SIZE OF PENIS:
Does that reflect natural masculinity? Is it a sign of one's being masculine? an abundance of male/ hormones, testosterne perhaps?
On the opposite side, is a small penis sign of femininity --- lack of male hormones --- testosterone!
Is a ninja masculin?
Some cultures (and I suspect Buddha's is no different ) have arranged marriages. Not only are you expected to marry, but often your spouse is pre-chosen. Though, I suppose there are ways to get around all that.
I think Buddha was probably referring more to 90%+, which by American standards would probably seem like EVERYONE.
) have arranged marriages. Not only are you expected to marry, but often your spouse is pre-chosen. Though, I suppose there are ways to get around all that.I think Buddha was probably referring more to 90%+, which by American standards would probably seem like EVERYONE.
Buddha1 said:
Sorry I haven't been contributing more than stilly little quips lately. I've missed some posts.
I heard of a study (one of several of its kind) that gay men on average had a larger penis size.
There was also a similar study (one of several of its kind) that stated that gay men have a smaller ratio of ring to index finger. And according to that study, there was no positive correlation in finger size and sexual preference for first-born males.
Whatever.
I'm not sure if I got that finger study right. It may have been the other way around. I think I just read some conflicting data when I was trying to get the story straight.
I think I just read some conflicting data when I was trying to get the story straight.
Get it?
Get it?
In my culture it is more like 99%. The rest 1% are seen as great threat to women!Giambattista said:Some cultures (and I suspect Buddha's is no different
I think Buddha was probably referring more to 90%+, which by American standards would probably seem like EVERYONE.
Allow me to put things straight. (and trust me to do it!):Giambattista said:
Now many masculine gendered men (who rightly belong in the straight community) have joined the gay subculture/ identity in the west. It's actually because of the intense heterosexualisation of the society, which has left them with little option.
But the society and science on the whole continue to present same-sex needs as 'feminine'. Now as straight men get more and more visibility in the gay world, one of them decided to prove --- for a change, otherwise of the forced belief that sexual need for men is feminine.
So he gathered his samples from where most 'straight'-'gays' live/hang around and naturally came up with the conclusion that 'gay' men are more masculine than the average 'heterosexual' man.
The study/ results were a major eye-sore for the scientists belonging to the 'vested interest group'. And after some years a clever team of women (trust women to come to the rescue of heterosexual men!) came up with a study involving 'gay' men that showed quite the opposite results. Of course, it goes without saying that they would have chosen the 'real' gays for the study.
The thing is you can prove almost anything in science --- especially in fields like human behaviour and psychology, by manipulating your samples a bit here or there.
If anything it proves my contention that there is no such thing as 'gay' in nature. It's not a biological identity, just a social identity!
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Mrs.Lucysnow
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No Satyr I wasn't agreeing with the Buddha I think my post was misconstrued. I think he will one day awake to find he's become a Katoy.
Mrs.Lucysnow
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A katoy is Thai for lady-boy. Yea you're right I think I posted this in the wrong thread. I was referring to a post I made in your heterosexual vs. homosexual thread when you and Satyr were having a head to head debate and I made a referrence to you taking a vacation and meeting Nico Claux. No matter it was intended for you and Satyr so no need to hunt the other thread and move the post. My point is that you seem a wee bit obsessed on these subjects.
You know, I don't think very highly of women who try that trick on men --- you know calling men 'homo' or like you're doing 'katoy' --- in order to marginalise same-sex behaviour between straight (meaning masculine) men! I think they are ......well, I'll reserve it for now!Lucysnow said:
They get pretty insecure about mainstream men talking about liking other men --- because it hurts their unacknowledged but real power base. They don't mind fem, gay guys doing it though, because once they are marginalised into another category which is 'not-male' they don't bother at all. In fact it is a great power they get, for now they can easily throw any man who dares to to be open about his sexual need into the 'not-male' dust bin!
It's true that women are supposed to be the granter of 'social masculinity' to men, and this gives you enormous powers to threaten their manhood by words such as this......but it's not gonna work this time. IT ONLY WORKS AS LONG AS THE MAN IS VOICELESS TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HIS ISSUES, because of a social stigma on discussing 'masculinity'.
People are born Katoy's, by the way, they are not made! So don't worry about me!
As far as my obsession goes, yes you're right, but then when you set yourself up against a formidable enemy like the heterosexual society, you can't afford to be weak willed --- you have to be at it, like an obsession!
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Mrs.Lucysnow
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Would you relax. I am not homophobic. katyoy's are born male and go through surgery to become females. They may have grown up 'feeling' like a woman in a male body but I consider that a psychological anomaly or aberration because even if one does change their parts and fill themselves with hormones they are still not female.
Try watching the film 'Beautiful Boxer'. Its the real life story of Parinya Charoenphol (aka Nong Toom), a successful Thai kick boxer who would doll himself up with make-up and fine pretty things. The other males would ridicule him while in the ring and he would beat their ass anyway. After his surgery however the hormones took the edge off his performance and so he had to give it up.
And Katoy isnt considered a derogatory term. It simply refers to transexuals and transvestites.
Try watching the film 'Beautiful Boxer'. Its the real life story of Parinya Charoenphol (aka Nong Toom), a successful Thai kick boxer who would doll himself up with make-up and fine pretty things. The other males would ridicule him while in the ring and he would beat their ass anyway. After his surgery however the hormones took the edge off his performance and so he had to give it up.
And Katoy isnt considered a derogatory term. It simply refers to transexuals and transvestites.
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You may not be 'homophobic' but you're probably 'straightophobic' --- i.e. you may accept homosexual men desiring other men, but you can't accept a straight man (a man in the mainstream) desiring another man. (Look at things from a non-western, non-woman point of view).Lucysnow said:
Anything to do with 'homosexuals', 'transexuals', 'transvestites' or 'women' is most definitely a derogatory term for straight men --- and that is how they are forced into 'fake masculinity roles' that go against their nature. How they work is a different story and hopefully we will talk about it in this thread.
I saw Nong Toom's story on I think the discovery channel on a programme on transgenderism. I don't think transexuality is a psychological aberration though (at one time I did but now I think there is a different story to it). The thing is that our society only accepts sex as male and female. So males who are feminine to the extreme then psychologically are made to desire a female body, otherwise they feel sociall incomplete. But the fault totally lies in the society not the person.
In ancient societies where femininity amongst males was totally accepted and they were considered a separate, respectable social gender, there were no practises of castration (medieval society's equivalent of sex change). By the medieval times where the normative gender was seen only as male or female, extremely feminine gendered males then formed a third sex by cutting off their genitals and becoming eunuchs. In the modern society you can get an artificial vagina attached.
Mrs.Lucysnow
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B: You may not be 'homophobic' but you're probably 'straightophobic' --- i.e. you may accept homosexual men desiring other men, but you can't accept a straight man (a man in the mainstream) desiring another man. (Look at things from a non-western, non-woman point of view).
Well I don't care if a man sexually desires another man but then he isn't straight anymore is he? I mean he would be someone with bisexual or homosexual leanings. I would accept it if a male told me he desired other males but I wouldn't date him. I would assume its a matter of time before I hear "honey I'm gay".
B:The thing is that our society only accepts sex as male and female. So males who are feminine to the extreme then psychologically are made to desire a female body, otherwise they feel sociall incomplete. But the fault totally lies in the society not the person.
Hun nature only provides us with male and female. And I disagree with you I do believe transexuality to be an aberration. I don't know too many people who are so confused as to undergo sugery because they think nature made a mistake. What's even more strange are males who change their sex and then pronounce themselves lesbian and want to sleep with women. EEK! Talk about confusion. The surgery by the way doesnt entail attaching an artificial vagina. What they do is turn the penis inside turning into the vagina wall. I feel sorry for the men who have a small penis, change their sex and then have sex with a well endowed male only to find that the poor guy finds he cannot go an inch further (hitting a wall if u know what I mean). Perhaps you should specify which ancient society you speak of, in China being feminine or not wasn't a requirement for being a eunuch and in Thailand being gay or a feminine male or a katoy is not considered a tragedy and they make room for them. Its also not unusual to see physical affection between straight males. But I am from the West and don't have Asian sensibilities so if a male I was interested in waxed eloquently about other males from a sexual point of view he could be my friend but he'd never find himself in my bed.
Well I don't care if a man sexually desires another man but then he isn't straight anymore is he? I mean he would be someone with bisexual or homosexual leanings. I would accept it if a male told me he desired other males but I wouldn't date him. I would assume its a matter of time before I hear "honey I'm gay".
B:The thing is that our society only accepts sex as male and female. So males who are feminine to the extreme then psychologically are made to desire a female body, otherwise they feel sociall incomplete. But the fault totally lies in the society not the person.
Hun nature only provides us with male and female. And I disagree with you I do believe transexuality to be an aberration. I don't know too many people who are so confused as to undergo sugery because they think nature made a mistake. What's even more strange are males who change their sex and then pronounce themselves lesbian and want to sleep with women. EEK! Talk about confusion. The surgery by the way doesnt entail attaching an artificial vagina. What they do is turn the penis inside turning into the vagina wall. I feel sorry for the men who have a small penis, change their sex and then have sex with a well endowed male only to find that the poor guy finds he cannot go an inch further (hitting a wall if u know what I mean). Perhaps you should specify which ancient society you speak of, in China being feminine or not wasn't a requirement for being a eunuch and in Thailand being gay or a feminine male or a katoy is not considered a tragedy and they make room for them. Its also not unusual to see physical affection between straight males. But I am from the West and don't have Asian sensibilities so if a male I was interested in waxed eloquently about other males from a sexual point of view he could be my friend but he'd never find himself in my bed.
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Thought of the day:
You cannot understand men's need for 'social masculinity' if you don't have natural masculinity in you.
That is why women, (true) heterosexuals and (true) homosexuals --- all of whom are deficient in natural masculinity, will never understand why masculine gendered men hide their sexual needs for men, for the fear of losing 'social masculinity'.
This group has no way to understand why 'social masculinity' is such a big deal for men. They will easily take men on their face value, and are likely to feel it uncalled for to doubt their 'proclaimed' sexual identity!
You cannot understand men's need for 'social masculinity' if you don't have natural masculinity in you.
That is why women, (true) heterosexuals and (true) homosexuals --- all of whom are deficient in natural masculinity, will never understand why masculine gendered men hide their sexual needs for men, for the fear of losing 'social masculinity'.
This group has no way to understand why 'social masculinity' is such a big deal for men. They will easily take men on their face value, and are likely to feel it uncalled for to doubt their 'proclaimed' sexual identity!
Hey, what happened to the list we were discussing.
BIG SIZE OF PENIS:
Does that reflect natural masculinity? Is it a sign of one's being masculine? an abundance of male/ hormones, testosterne perhaps?
On the opposite side, is a small penis sign of femininity --- lack of male hormones --- testosterone!
Come on you guys and girls. Give us your opinion on that one!
BIG SIZE OF PENIS:
Does that reflect natural masculinity? Is it a sign of one's being masculine? an abundance of male/ hormones, testosterne perhaps?
On the opposite side, is a small penis sign of femininity --- lack of male hormones --- testosterone!
Come on you guys and girls. Give us your opinion on that one!
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