If you believe Israel if going to give up any of its ill gotten gains through anything less than the threat of force you a moron. Look at our resident Israeli MR. spock who constantly asks why should Israel have to give land to the palestinians.
Maps of Israel, Jordan and Palestine
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If you believe Israel if going to give up any of its ill gotten gains through anything less than the threat of force you a moron. Look at our resident Israeli MR. spock who constantly asks why should Israel have to give land to the palestinians.
I had a feeling you would revert to this, and you have. Kudos to me. Ergo: there was no cultural difference between Jordanians and 'Palestinians' at that period and so the earlier question was valid.
Er...Europeans and Arabs? All right: how is this known? Advance your next arguments.
The Yemenis, possibly. But you also said Arabs. In the other sense: all the Jews I've ever met have been Mediterranean-looking. And how is it known what Jewish people all looked like originally, anyway, out of curiousity? Moreover, phenotype is barely a consideration here, with the genes being responsible for colouration comprising a tiny percentage of the whole. So if a person is say 5% divergent on the basis of colour genes, does that obviate the 95% of the remainder of his or her genetic heritage???
You have several hurdles yet to jump, it seems.
Frankly, the whole counter-argument seems predicated on the notion that Jews have been introgressed and that Palestinians have not because...well, just because. Because anyone associated with Westerners is a colonizer to start with. Etc. Given the data cited, the argument is specious: J1 being actually one of the best examples that Palestinians may well be not indigenous, genetically.
An utter nonsense. Arabs are themselves from "abroad": as in, Arabia. Arabia is not the Levant, except in history books written in Riyadh. Unless you now think France is Spain? Poland is the Netherlands? Even...England is Scotland??
The expression is: hoist on your own petard. I'm sure I can trust you to look it up.
They were. Now not so much.
Actually, wait a second: if Yemenis are Yemenis, then they're likely carrying the J1 alleles of contention, and I would assume J2 also. So do they also not then have a genetic right to come, assuming there were such a thing?
I suppose I allowed the marked phenotypic difference between them and the usual Jewish mean phenotype to "colour" my argument to not include Yemenis. My sincerest apologies. It does demonstrate I suppose that appearances are deceiving.
Best,
Geoff
I suppose I allowed the marked phenotypic difference between them and the usual Jewish mean phenotype to "colour" my argument to not include Yemenis. My sincerest apologies. It does demonstrate I suppose that appearances are deceiving.
Best,
Geoff
Nope. Its not. No matter how "identical I am to Pakistanis" I don't want to be displaced to Paksitan
You think Europeans don't fuck? Or Jews don't? 2000>1400
Like Tzipi Livni?Maybe you need to actually meet some Jews.
Can you tell where these people are from?
No the question to ask is, how is it even known that the mythology holds any water?
How is it even known that these Jews are anything but the descendents of roaming nomads who passed by several tribes including Arabia and the Levant?
Who wrote a fictional history belonging to the native Palestinians for themselves? Its more likely that the Palestinians converted from Judaism and these tribes merely adopted their identity.
Everyone who moves to the US calls themselves American [ie adopts the identity]. But how many are natives?
Why does a Russian bouncer from Moldova have "right of return" while Palestinians languish in refugee camps?
Yeah, especially if its accompanied by 1000s of years of "exile"
Actually, the Palestinians don't have to prove anything, being in situ as it were. Its the Europeans, Russians and Americans who do. Seeing as they are the foreign insurgents replacing native populations and consigning them to refugee camps to accomodate their alleged tribal affiliations.
Arabia is closer than Russia. Besides, Jews, by their own mythology are immigrants. The fact that they are genetically closer to the east Mediterranean tribes than any other only confirms what their holy babble says.
No the expression is: you're clueless.
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You or someone on your 'side' advanced the notion of a Palestinian identity. I wanted to know what that identity was. Now I find it isn't. On we go.
Oookay. You are arguing what here?
She looks like a dye-job, actually. BTW, are there no Palestinians with blue eyes? I seem to recall some scare-article accusing the Jews of stealing their blue eyes. Anyway, unless you know what the ancient Jews actually looked like, this is pointless. For all you or I know, they were a very diverse group. And lastly - again - the genes responsible for physical appearance comprise a very small percentage of the entire genome. Shall a 5% similarity invalidate a 95% difference now?
Palestine? Two of them are blond. No idea.
I don't know that for certain, and neither do you. The fact is more that Israel is the central area of interest to Judaism, the only area of interest to Judaism, and I think that deserves something. One place, at least, where they can't be persecuted by the rabidly open-minded.
Hard to say. But it's no different than a lot of people in a lot of other countries. Shall they all go home too? Should they?
I think that a Jewish one does have such a right, on cultural basis. I do not think that a Palestinian should languish in the small communities of the West Bank or Jordan (which are actually more like cities now, but let's leave that aside), but that issue isn't tied to the first one.
Well, if you're arguing against the return on a genetic basis, I'm afraid they do. Geneology is distinct from geography.
But Arabia is not closer than the J2 origin site. It is more distant. Even if we believe your argument about the J2 being more prevalent in Jewish populations, the origin point of J2 is closer to Israel than the J1 origin, which is the tip of Arabia.
I'm sure it is.
Now, for the sake of sheer interest, illustrate your evidence against it.
Oh, and if you could answer those ones about phenotypic relevance in the face of genotypic dissimilarity, that would be awesome too.
You certainly do go.
That's the biggest city I've ever seen.
And you believe this is a...city.
Could you bring back the non-retarded Sam?
I've already seen nirakars maps thank you.
And I've seen Qalqilya as well. So thank you very much.
I was responding to this:
Have you seen the settlements and checkpoints and how the millions of Palestinians fucking live there? Because of foreign Jews who subscribe to your fucking bullshit?
You're grasping at straws now.
And I've seen Qalqilya as well. So thank you very much.
I was responding to this:
Have you seen the settlements and checkpoints and how the millions of Palestinians fucking live there? Because of foreign Jews who subscribe to your fucking bullshit?
You're grasping at straws now.
I was referring to the camps, which are more like cities now. You'll note the plural.
Sam, I just want to say this: personally, I like you as a human being. We disagree on many things, clearly, but I just wanted to tell you that otherwise, you're all right. I don't want to bend anyone's feelings. Perhaps I've been too extreme.
Sam, I just want to say this: personally, I like you as a human being. We disagree on many things, clearly, but I just wanted to tell you that otherwise, you're all right. I don't want to bend anyone's feelings. Perhaps I've been too extreme.
What camps? The Jewish settlements are not camps. Did you not see the 60 minutes episode on this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYAgyv2MKyI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUaeID9Lap0&feature=related
You don't have to like/dislike me. I just find any support for racism unpalatable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYAgyv2MKyI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUaeID9Lap0&feature=related
You don't have to like/dislike me. I just find any support for racism unpalatable.
The Palestinians have farms in the west bank, not camps. Why would they need camps on their own land? The refugee camps are just a part of it. Thats not what the settlers are targeting.
I added links to the 60 minutes program, though I doubt you will watch it.
I added links to the 60 minutes program, though I doubt you will watch it.
I prefer not to deal with anonymous and tainted sources.
Charlie Rose did an interview with Bob Simon [of 60 minutes]
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/9900
Charlie Rose did an interview with Bob Simon [of 60 minutes]
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/9900
The Telegraph, Los Angeles Times and New York Times are anonymous and tainted?