Maps of Israel, Jordan and Palestine

GeoffP said:
Your whole argument was hypotheticals. I thought you said there were going to be real examples. Then you bring up more hypotheticals. Do you even know what you're arguing? Put your other user on.
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Is the new catchphrase "hypotheticals"? I quoted academic works. You did read them did you not? (I know you are very busy)

Other user? What are you on about? :(
 
I was referring to Sam, SD.

The works you cited comprised an assertion without logical justification.

I may as easily assert that the sky is purple.
 
StrawDog said:
Oh sweet G-d ... The examples all refer to Palestinian identity?
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"Examples"? Oh, sweet G-d. There were no examples, only statements. HOW is there a distinct identity? What does it comprise? What elements of sociality, politics and culture make up this unique Palestinian identity? And so forth.
 
GeoffP said:
"Examples"? Oh, sweet G-d. There were no examples, only statements. HOW is there a distinct identity? What does it comprise? What elements of sociality, politics and culture make up this unique Palestinian identity? And so forth.
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My friend, you need to read the link. What I extracted was the juicy bits.

Shalom
 
I may read the link, but if those were the juiciest bits then the article could stand some watering.
 
S.A.M. said:
If my homeland is the square of land in Mumbai where my house is,
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Who would even suggest such a preposterous definition of "homeland?" Are we to consider you and the other residents of your house as a "nation?"

Your homeland, if indeed you have one, is India. And not necessarily just the land controlled by the state called "India," either.
 
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GeoffP said:
I may read the link, but if those were the juiciest bits then the article could stand some watering.
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Indeed, Khalidi is not exactly what you'd call a "juicy" author. He's extremely measured and obsessive about citation. His works tend to proceed almost glacially, building up large points through a waterfall of tiny facts. The result is technically impressive, although very poor fodder for message board hysterics. Which is exactly the point: you don't retain a prestigious tenure at Columbia by being a hack polemicist. Let alone have any measurable impact on popular understanding.

And this, of course, is exactly why he's valuable. He's the foremost authority on Palestinian history in the United States, and his stances on various contentious issues in that subject are broadly in alignment with what Palestinian internet partisans want to talk about. So, he's a desirable enough authority that they are sure to want to cite him, but his work is so dense, measured and resistant to reduction that they cannot do so without doing a lot of reading and thinking, and hopefully a little learning.
 
GeoffP said:
And another thing: you repeatedly use the word "Shalom" in ending your posts with me. It is abundantly clear that you consider me to be Jewish, which is no insult, but which is also not so. You do this with no other poster. I am therefore forced to conclude that you feel that I am arguing this position because you think that I am Jewish. I would ask you to reflect on this position and ask yourself if you have any pre-existing prejudices underlying this association.
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Sorry, just saw this now. I don`t consider you to be Jewish. You sometimes use the sig "Peace, Geoff". Have you ever considered any other possibilities? :)
 
StrawDog said:
Sorry, just saw this now. I don`t consider you to be Jewish. You sometimes use the sig "Peace, Geoff". Have you ever considered any other possibilities? :)
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Sorry, meant to write back sooner.

You citation lays down - as quad cites above - some possibilities, but no explicit logical approach to actual evidence. Unfortunately I'd have to wade through the entirety of Khalidi's work to be sure. I don't have the time. How about a juicy, watered-down article?
 
Oh, and as for "Peace", I used to use it because it's my native tongue. Why do you pick "Shalom"? Are you Jewish?
 
GeoffP said:
Sorry, meant to write back sooner.

You citation lays down - as quad cites above - some possibilities, but no explicit logical approach to actual evidence. Unfortunately I'd have to wade through the entirety of Khalidi's work to be sure. I don't have the time. How about a juicy, watered-down article?
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He is right, its a slow read, but the case is plainly made. I will work on some juice. :)
 
nirakar said:
A MOSAIC OF PEOPLE: THE JEWISH STORY AND A REASSESSMENT OF THE DNA EVIDENCE


http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm
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This paper would be more interesting if they changed the focus and included the non-Jews in their interpretation.

e.g. the Cohanim marker is widespread in Arab non-Jews, which is a slightly different picture from it being prominent in the Jewish priestly class among the Jewish community.

One source of early confusion was a widespread popular notion that only Cohens or only Jews could have the Cohen Modal Haplotype. It is now clear that this is not the case. The Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH), whilst notably frequent amongst Cohens, is also far from unusual in the general populations of haplogroups J1 and J2 with no particular link to the Cohen ancestry. These haplogroups occur widely throughout the Middle East and beyond [9],[10]. So whilst many Cohens have haplotypes close to the CMH, a greater number of such haplotypes worldwide belong to people with no likely Cohen connection at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron#Cohens_in_other_haplogroups
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I think the issue is misrepresented in the narrow focus of such studies.
 
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