Originally Posted by Papaver2005
Well, one correct out of six isn't bad I guess.
But it's out of order and poorly explained.
(Lucifer=the Morning Star= the planet we now call Venus)
Medicine woman, I'm curious as to where you got this ? Is it that you are just quoting someone elses blantantly erromeous equivalents ? ”
> MW: I research the specific philosophy of astro-theology. Astro-theology >is the study of how ancient myths became modern religions based on the >ancient worship of cosmological symbols through the study of solar and >lunal models. This is not to be confused with astrology.
Medicine Woman,
First, Yes, of the "equivalents" that you listed, this is the only one that is remotely close to being correct. However, it is out of historical and linguistic seqeunce.
Further, making up sh$t like "astro-theology" doesn't help the fact that you have it out of order from an historical-linguistic context. Your methodology, whatever it was , is clearly faulty. That muc is clear and I can demonstrate it (and have, had you cared to read the origins of lucifer.
>If you don't understand what I have posted, how do you know it's out of >order? Try again.
I understand perfectly what you have posted here. My point is that it is clearly not in sequence with the historical language usage of these terms.
You are quite wrong in the way you sequenced it.
>I've studied this subject long enough to understand the concepts of how >the myths (religions) came about. I've also posted the bibliography for this >topic numerous times in the past. I don't think it is necessary to have to >post a bibliography every time a new member doesn't understand what I >write, so I'm not going to post it again. I suggest you read my previous >posts, if you are interested in this subject before you comment on >something you don't understand.
LOL. Nonetheless, you;ve got it wrong. Unlike you, I will explain to you
WHY IT IS WRONG
You wrote
Lucifer=Venus = Morning Star did you not ?
I will once again explain to you why this is not correct. (it is necessary that you realize that "latin" was the lingua franca of the Romans of Italy, dderinved primarily from the latvian people)
The word "lucifer" is from the latin term "lucis ferre" . This term is from Roman astronomy texts from the period of the Roman Republic.(pre-Augustine and Pre-Julian). In english it means literally "light bringer" and refers to the brightest star in the sky. We know now that this was iin fact the second planet from the Sun (the Roman astronomers did not know this).
The greek astronomers also called this star/planet "eosphorus" which also means light-bringer. Greek culture preceeded the Roman and thus the latin "lucis ferre" is almost a direct translation from the greek.
At about this same time the word "Venus" is the proper name of an originally Greek goddess from Greek texts translated into latin. It properly refers to the Greek goddess Aphrodite, but the latin name derives from the earlier latvian words "venus" meaning love, charm,beauty, from the Indo-European base word "wen" or "ven" (wish,desire,lustful desire). possible origin from the Sanskrit "vanas" or "vanati" (loves,desires, wins). Thus, the Romans renamed the goddess in temrs of her qualities taken from the Greek myths.
Notice that niether the early attic greeks nor the early latvian Romans originally associated Aphrodite / Venus with the celestial object. It is most likely that this association CAME FROM THE association to the Egyptian "Hathor" meaning "second planet from the sun" is attested from c.1290 (O.E. had morgensteorra and æfensteorra).
The Hebrew term that describes this same star/planet is "“heylel.” nad is used only 1 time in the Tanakh book of the Prophets. According to Jewish sources, the word is literally “shining one” .
The use of the specific term "morning star" or "dawn star" looks like it comes from the earliest english translations of the Hebrew Tanakh in the late medieval period.
Now, ther is the question of how the Roman astronomical temr "lucis ferre" became associated with
So, any way you slice it, your
(Lucifer=the Morning Star= the planet we now call Venus) is out of historical sequence. Ther better sequence (reflecting the origin of each name) is as I had it ;
(Lucifer=the planet we now call Venus) = eng "Morning Star"
Also, every other of your so-called equivalent are in fact erroneous and I can present evidence to demonstrate why they are in error.
Papaver2005
Medicine Woman,
Actually ,this one is so wrong it is laughable
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Je-Zeus=Jesus=Sol=Sun-of-mankind)
"e-Zeus " ??? WTF ! Do you just make this up as you go ?
Please, by all means, please give me your "psycho-astroligical" justification for that "e" prefix. (is it because it makes it come out rhyming with Jesus in english ?)
Jesus (latin form, proper noun, nominative case) is a latin (Roman) transliteration of the Hebrew/aramaic name "Yeshu". Did you know this, MW ?
The hebre name "Yeshu" means what medicine woman ? (hint - it has nothing to do with the sun !)
Do you realize that the -us ending of Jesus is in fact the inflected ending of the latin nominative noun case ?
NO
DUH !!!!
Any lycee student of latin could have told you this. Is it apparent that you never study latin ? :roflmao:
And you equate "son" to "Sun" because why ? Because it happens to ryhme in english ! OMFG you are so wrong !
Do you know ANYTHING about linguistics ? Not so, this is so ridiculous it is just comical !!!
This blunder is so blatantly ridiculous the fudging of the data is os blatantly obvious, you provide NO linguistic support for any of that !
I have to question either your level of education or your motives...
Now, did you mske this up on your own or did you get it from somewhere else ?
Be honest !!!!! What motivates you to make stuff up like this ?
I'm not anywhere near done with you yet, we're going to move down your list ! You need to explain this ERRONEOUS CR@P you are passing off !
Next on the Medicine woman crock of lies and erroneous facts
(Peter the Jew=Ju-piter)
Peter the Jew ?????
WTF !!!
So, let me get this straight. You think that because "Peter the Jew" sort of rhymes with Jupiter in english that this makes them equivalent ???
Read that sentence above again. Can you see how ludicrously ridiculous that is ?
You deserve this medicine woman ! :spank:
I invite you to look this up yourself in any etymology dictionary. Do you know what "etymology" is Medicine woman ? (I didn't think so)
From Etymology Online;
etymology entry for "Peter" at www dot etymonline dot com slash index.php?search=Peter&searchmode=none)
masc. proper name, from L. Petrus, from Gk. Petros, lit. "stone, rock," translation of Syriac kefa "stone" (Cephas), nickname Jesus gave to apostle Simon Bar-Jona (Matt. xvi:17), historically known as St. Peter, and consequently a popular name among Christians (e.g. It. Pietro, Sp. Pedro, O.Fr. Pierres, Fr. Pierre, etc.).
Simply put, the english proper name Peter is from the Latin proper name "Petrus"
(see that latin nominative ending -us Medicine woman, are you starting to get it yet? That's the nominative inflected ending, first declension nouns)
Which is from the greek PN "Petros", It means "rock or stone".
Jupiter (look it up) is the anglicized version of the latin name of the chief god od the greek pantheon of Mt Olympus whose greek name was "Zeus"(but Zeus" is a latinized form.
Medicine woman, please explain your "psycho-astrologic" :roflmao: connection as you put it here.
Please, please, please elaborate the (Peter the Jew=Ju-piter) connection !
Medicine woman. This is the most pathetic excuse for scholarship that I've ever seen anywhere on the internet .....
You can take your place right next to Acharya S, who until today I thought was the worst and most stupid purveyor of cr@p. But you have even outdone and sunk lower than Acharya !
Did you realize just how wrong and pathetic Acharya S was ? Or did you just copy from her not knowing of her worldwide reputation for poor scholarship and erronrous facts ?
The truth is, you got this from Acharya didn;t you ?
