John 3:19
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
This in itself rises a very interesting question that has never been answered:
Why, given an eternity to plan it out, did god fuck up so bad? A third of his angels left him, the very first people that existed went against him, everyone then went against him to such a degree that he had to drown them all, everyone continued to go against him which meant he had to commit suicide and still to this day everyone goes against him. Even those that profess to follow and love him cannot obey his laws for ten minutes.
Surely you wouldn't argue that people created people to be so bad... would you?
Read the New Testament, and the Old Testament in context..
Done. Were you going to provide a proper answer to my question?
Are you completely dumb or just an ignorant twit?
A quality, informative, mature response. Thank you. Of all the christians to question, you were clearly the best.
But although you didn't give me much to work with, let's take a look at what
you said:
"The many rules that were governed by the priests in that day and age are redundant"
"not being a Levite priest and not living in the year 2000bc or so I realise that this doesn't apply to me."
"But being a Christian I follow Christ, and not being a Jew nevermind a Levite priest the passage you are referring only tells a story, and is meaningless to the way I live my life."
Given
your statements, it would seem my statement stands: The OT is redundant - so sayeth you. It seemingly has little worth other than an interesting story to help pass the time. Now, you can either debate the issue or you can continue with your pissy little insults. I am eager to see which route you take.
Obviously you haven't read it or you don't know what wisdom means/is. I suspect a bit of both.
Absolutely right on both counts. So, now please tell me what "wisdom" you were referring to. Thanks.
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I think the OT law is harsh.
So you disagree with god?
But a child that disrespects his parents breaks one of the big ten -- I wouldn't stone them, but they do have a big problem.
So you are hereby saying that god is wrong with his laws and that if you were under those laws you would ignore them?
I also feel that a christian is my brother or sister, hence I wouldn't want to throw the switch on them, anymore than you'd want life in prison for your wife if she murdered someone. It's a personal issue.
So you're agreeing that you only support the death penalty when it comes to atheists?
christians do not agree on capital punishment
Oh.. the bible, (the authority on the matter), is that confusing?
however without capital punishment, my savior couldn't die on the cross for my sins.
Well, his argument was against capital punishment - and while it didn't save him, it has saved a lot of people since. Then along come you folk demanding that people get killed. You make a farce of every word jesus ever said.
You'd think we'd have progressed, become more moral since the year 0. Guess not.
Your way, don't they both get the same punishment?
Well it has to be case by case - which is also quite often the problem. Do you kill a woman that killed her abusive husband? (You probably would because she's taking up resources and space), but there is a fine line that needs to be taken into account. This is why heat of the moment killing usually gets less time than premeditated. We've all had fights with our wives. What if it gets a little heated and 'by accident' the husband or wife gets killed? Would you be so adamant in demanding their death and saying how big and tough you are that you would indeed flick the switch?
How would you punish the US judicial system? Would the jurors be guilty of premeditated murder for finding the defendant guilty or would you slap it on the judge?
Well, if the system I espouse was put into place, there would be no killing - and thus no judges or jurors to find guilty.
So what exactly? You said these laws would be undertaken in hell - which invariably includes stoning prostitutes to death. So please, explain it "exactly".
So you're now anti-capital punishment?
My point is that their life is in grave danger.
So is the life of every person that jaywalks. What's your point?
I'm sorry for the confusion, I guess you'll have to ask again.
No. The two times were sufficient enough to understand that you contradict yourself.
According to the NT, it was faith that pleased him.
According to the OT - which was written when it occurred, in the presence of god - it was fear. You cannot argue against text written at the time compared to text written 2k years later.
"Without faith it is impossible to please god."
Man, I get pleased if someone buys me a beer. Why is your god so uptight? Why all these "impossibilities" for an all loving god?
So attempted murder doesn't count.
No. Attempted murder gets tried on the count of attempted murder, not murder. There's a slight difference between the two.
It's all about perspective Woody. Because you have the freedom to bonk a woman, to shop at the local store, to visit the seaside, to go to the cinema, to eat a take away curry, you do not recognise the hardship of having nothing but a 10 * 10 with metal bars. Please, commit a small crime and get a month in prison - then we'll see if you change your opinion.
Perhaps we should send you some of Castro's cuban prisoners that he released in our country. That's how cuba takes care of its crime problem.
So because Cuba has justice issues, better to just kill them all?
Perhaps the US could release all it's criminals in your country so you all can take care of them.
I fail to see the relevance. They'd get jailed here and not killed. But it's curious to see why a highly atheist country like England, (you yourself said there's no religious people here), has relatively low crime rate whereas your country - 87% religious, has an astoundingly high crime rate.
Because the prisons are overcrowded.
Well, if you'd stop telling people that it's ok to kill atheists, the crime rate would undoubdtedly go down a little. Then if your god would stop talking to people and tell them to go slaughter someone, the crime rate would go down even more.
Ok, now we need to judge which "opinion" has more merit. Ever been inside a prison Woody?
My opinion vs. yours. Why should you care anyway, aren't humans just animals?
Yes, humans are {just?} animals. No, I don't agree with the slaughter of animals either.
I guess that's why you think humans are not animals. You obviously have a very low opinion of animals - probably a side effect of your religious beliefs. Well, we've already established that with your "bag o' kitties".
I care for all animals Woody, even the human kind.
So they frankly wouldn't care if nobody showed up at the service.
I suppose that's a personal thing. Of course just like churches, they stand to lose money if nobody turns up. I have no issues with business - and the church is one of the biggest businesses on the planet. Nothing wrong with that, and I guess the synagogues are little different. However, seemingly the jews trust that other jews will go there. Churches these days are seemingly so afraid that people wont turn up, they do regular recruitment drives to try and get anyone to go. They relax the beliefs, ("yes we now accept gays"), in order to find more punters. "Yes, we accept evolutionists, gays, women priests and even fortune tellers.. come along one and all... The bible no longer means anything".
I'll call your bluff. You're a liar.
Anyway, I was interested to see what your earlier point was going to be. You asked me if any of the beings I listed had dinner. I said yes, Gilgamesh did. So.. what was your point? It's a shame, but I see you forgot all about it.
