I'm game, let me know what specifically you have in mind to demonstrate that astrology works.
James Randi
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I'm game, let me know what specifically you have in mind to demonstrate that astrology works.
Well? Were you just lying again or what?
Perhaps the problem is that you take astrology personally, and believe people are attacking you personally. No, you are here making claims that astrology works, all by yourself.
Of course, there are a number of people attacking THAT IDEA, not you personally.
So, if you simply detach yourself personally from astrology, you'll have no problem.
Okay...I want you to write an analysis of one member on the Astrology thread. As you know, its all rubbish so its very easily done.
When you've done that, I'll write an analysis using astrology and we shall allow the member who posted the chart to choose which is the most accurate.
Is that acceptable to you or are you going to duck out yet again?
How does comparing one spurious analysis against another prove that astrology works?
Crunchy doesn't claim that his analyses are scientific - but you do, therefore what's the point of getting Crunchy to do one?
I don't get it, how does pitting two subjective interpretations against each other prove one of them is actually objective? Don't get me wrong, I am all participating in a proof and it is very unclear how the exercise above would prove anything.
Again? When did I duck out in the first place?
Can you show me the quote where I explicitly said anybody could provide a chart analysis?
I am willing to lay down money in a bet. Name your price, I am sure I can match it. The problem is you haven't proposed anything to show that Astrology OBJECTIVELY works.
lol you're very literal. No need for money - just match it by doing a..whats it called now..oh yes 'cold reading'!
Now since I've asked the sceptics to provide these cold reading the claims of how easy cold readings are have..well gone cold.
In fact I'm having trouble finding any sceptic willing to take me one. They've run for the hills.
This is common behaviour. Sceptics are very happy attacking people...and are quite vicious and utterly arrogant in doing so.
When on the defence they soon crumble like the little bully boys they really are. They don't like dissent. They are the Sceptic Taliban...mere fundamentalists.
Neutral observers should take note! I'm here in the boxing ring and ready for action - but where are the sceptics?
:shrug:
Cold reading yesterday - Cold feet today
Enmos
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Ignoring your ridiculous claims.
YOU made the claim, YOU provide the E V I D E N C E !!
If you are not prepared to do that, just shut up and leave.
Come now, Billy, you've been at this stage before. Surely, you've made these claims on other sites and have provided nothing? This is the stage in which everyone is ignoring you and you claim your victory.
What a guy!
Like all pseudoscience and paranormal nutjobs, Billy's course of action is to shift the burden of proof. Instead of backing up his own wild claims with evidence or data, he's now demanding that those critical of him provide evidence.... what bollocks.
Why should anyone in this thread be required to demonstrate cold reading? Its been done before by skilled and honest skeptics that have documented the technique before thousands of people at a time. This is a bit like the creationist wackjob coming to the science board with claims that his god created the universe in a few days and requiring those skeptical of his superstitions to demonstrate that DNA can actually replicate.
Shifting the burden of proof. Moving the goal posts. blah, blah, blah. Typical pseudoscience tactics that do nothing to support the claimant's position.
Billy has yet to provide valid evidence, so instead he wants to shift his responsibilities. It won't work, mate. You made the claim. So unless you have evidence to back it up, you're either a liar or deluded.
Let me state it once more. You're either a liar or deluded.
But provide real evidence to support your claim and I'm willing to revise that statement.
Why should anyone in this thread be required to demonstrate cold reading? Its been done before by skilled and honest skeptics that have documented the technique before thousands of people at a time. This is a bit like the creationist wackjob coming to the science board with claims that his god created the universe in a few days and requiring those skeptical of his superstitions to demonstrate that DNA can actually replicate.
Shifting the burden of proof. Moving the goal posts. blah, blah, blah. Typical pseudoscience tactics that do nothing to support the claimant's position.
Billy has yet to provide valid evidence, so instead he wants to shift his responsibilities. It won't work, mate. You made the claim. So unless you have evidence to back it up, you're either a liar or deluded.
Let me state it once more. You're either a liar or deluded.
But provide real evidence to support your claim and I'm willing to revise that statement.
When you claim I say something that I did not, you bet.
What does me performing a 'cold reading' have to do with you demonstrating that Astrology objectively works?
How does this apply to me in particular? Did I claim that cold readings were easy? Can you show me where?
I am right here... hellooooooooooooo. So far you have yet to propose something that would demonstrate Astrology objectively works.
It's even more common for fantastic claimers to divert attention away from the fact that they have failed to prove their claims.
Neutral observers should take note! I'm here in the boxing ring and ready for action - but where are the sceptics?
:shrug:
Cold reading yesterday - Cold feet today
Neutral observers should take note of the claim and ask the question... where's the proof?
The scientific experiment has been done. I cited it. The demonstrations you require by shifting the burden of proof back on the skeptic have already been done by other elsewhere. There is no need for anyone in this thread to replicate those efforts. I can, however, cite them if you wish.
The only claim that needs evidence is the one that you can perform "astrology." Barring the satisfaction of this claim by providing evidence, you are a liar or deluded (or a bit of both).
The only claim that needs evidence is the one that you can perform "astrology." Barring the satisfaction of this claim by providing evidence, you are a liar or deluded (or a bit of both).
Ok here...I'll make up one..
Billy's horoscope: Today, you will make an ass of yourself by engaging in a battle of wits, clearly un-armed.
Which doesn't make any sense, because you're the one whose issued the claim.
When did I claim this? Can you point out the quote explicitly?
What experiment?
It doesn't matter. YOU are the one saying it works, yet you refuse to tell anyone how it works.
And, that is because you don't know.
So, you are a liar.
Case closed.