Israeli/Hamas disregard for human life.

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S.A.M. said:
The US is not a resistance movement defending itself against an occupation.
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So this, somehow excuses the human rights violations?

Either way, I can say "The US is fighting a war against an enemy who has little regard for human life."

Which one of us is right and which one of us is wrong?

S.A.M. said:
how about this instead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bHfbeH70_U

Or this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lENAs9l-7g

:bugeye:
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Yeah. It sucks.

What about this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kroyMfkoRHA

or this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRz3nHwgjHY

Does the fact that the Palestinians are fighting a guerilla war give them the right to target school children?
 
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Typical fanatical view, you seem to be implying I'm anti-Semitic, when I'm actually an anti-fascist.

The Jews aren't to blame for all the aggression and oppression, you think?
You must be a fascist.
 
BenTheMan said:
So this, somehow excuses the human rights violations?

Either way, I can say "The US is fighting a war against an enemy who has little regard for human life."
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What war? If someone breaks into your house and you shoot him, its not a war. The American invasion is a pile of crap.
 
BenTheMan said:
Answer the question:

Is there an excuse for human rights violations?
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Human rights are a luxury of freedom. They don't exist under oppression. Surely you know Maslows hierarchy? Without security, there are no rights.

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Vkothii said:
Typical fanatical view, you seem to be implying I'm anti-Semitic, when I'm actually an anti-fascist.

The Jews aren't to blame for all the aggression and oppression, you think?
You must be a fascist.
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Then explain your post:

The modern Jews of Israel are doing just fine, destroying themselves.
Destroying any possibility of peaceful coexistence, ensuring that at some point in the future a whole heap of oppression will not be forgotten, and they'll be wearing the "fruits" of their belligerence.
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Like Hitler you seem to blame the Jews for all of the problems.

That seems to be the favorite thing to do among Fascist, it is alway the Jews fault, and when have you not blamed the Jews?

Even the meter and tone of your statement is in the manner of Hitler's oratory.
 
The Aid isn't getting to the people of Gaza because of Hamas
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"The aid isn't getting through because of a continuing 2-year total blockade, by Israel"
the Arabs in Gaza, (Hamas), ignoring the U.N. to do things their own way
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"The Zionists in Tel Aviv ignore the UN and do things their own way"
Aid was getting into Gaza, Israel let the U.N. distribute that Aid with no interference.
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"Gaza has been blockaded and locked down for years, Israel has not let the UN distribute aid without interference"
you are a full apologist for those who deny the Holocaust
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"You are a full apologist for those who deny the Zionist collective punishment"
Like Hitler you seem to blame the Jews for all of the problems.
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Like Stalin, you seem to think it's a statistic, like Hitler blamed the Jews, you want to blame the Arabs for all of the problems"

"That seems to be the favorite thing to do among Fascists"
 
Vkothii said:
"The aid isn't getting through because of a continuing 2-year total blockade, by Israel"
"The Zionists in Tel Aviv ignore the UN and do things their own way"
"Gaza has been blockaded and locked down for years, Israel has not let the UN distribute aid without interference"
"You are a full apologist for those who deny the Zionist collective punishment"
Like Stalin, you seem to think it's a statistic, like Hitler blamed the Jews, you want to blame the Arabs for all of the problems"

"That seems to be the favorite thing to do among Fascists"
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Yes, tell me again that aid isn't getting trough to Gaza....If Aid isn't getting through to Gaza then how is Hamas stealing it?

Israel: UNRWA halting aid proves our position on Hamas is correct ...
Feb 7, 2009 ... It was the second time this week that Hamas stole UN supplies ... had suspended its deliveries to Gaza after Hamas stole its supplies. ... food...then make them pay for it...it's the welfare of HAMAS that matters. ...
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1233304705842&pagename=JPost/J
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And again you are using Mein Kamph Logic, like Hitler you are placing the blame on me and accusing me of being a Stalinist, and a Bolshevik.

Yes, the more you open your mouth, the more you sound like Hitler, even to the logic He used to attack his enemies.

Well who reject U.N. Resolution 181, it wasn't the Jews.
 
There are no human rights under occupation. Its an occupation. Which is a violation of human rights. You don't blame the victim for defending themselves.

Do you blame the native Americans for defending themselves? Do you blame the Jews of Warsaw? The French in Vichy France? The "Patriots" of the US "independence" movement?

If not, why not?
 
S.A.M. said:
There are no human rights under occupation. Its an occupation. Which is a violation of human rights. You don't blame the victim for defending themselves.

Do you blame the native Americans for defending themselves? Do you blame the Jews of Warsaw? The French in Vichy France? The "Patriots" of the US "independence" movement?

If not, why not?
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What Occupation of Gaza?

Were are the Israeli troops today? on the Israeli side of the border, again it is Hamas who hasn't made peace, it is Hamas who is continuing to do things that restricts the flow of aid in to Gaza:

UNRWA suspends Gaza aid after Hamas steals food and supplies...
UNRWA suspends Gaza aid after Hamas steals food and supplies-News and commentary relating to events in Israel, the occupied territories, and the world, ...

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It was the Arabs who reject a peaceful solution in 1947, when they rejected U.N. Resolution 181, and went to war to destroy the Israeli nation even before it was establish.

So not only do the Israelis have the Right by U.N. 181 to their lands, they also have a right by defense and winning the war brought to them by the Arabs.

They have a right to defensible borders on the basis of UN Security Council Resolution 242, so yes the Arabs are the one who have failed to recognize the reality of fact.

Israel is established, and it will not be displaced, just as the U.S. is established and will not be displaced, no matter how often you wish to bring up:

the native Americans for defending themselves
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Do you blame the Jews of Warsaw?
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No comparison to the Gaza problem or the Palestinian problem, the Jews of the Ghetto were going to be murdered by the Germans no matter if they made peace or not, it wasn't even a matter of peace, or occupation, it was a matter of the Final Solution.

The French in Vichy France?
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Again ,no comparison, a established country is invaded by another established country, with no provocation, and the people of that country who held title and deed, and had a constitution, defended themselves in a declared war.

And when that war was done, they did not wish to murder every last German.

The "Patriots" of the US "independence" movement?
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Again, no comparison, the Patriots, established a Country, just as the Israelis did, by force of arms, and when the peace was established we were a free Country and in the end because of the peace We and the English became Allies.


Israel is by right of U.N. 181 and diplomatic recognition, a legal country, it is a country by defense of Arms from aggression by Arabs who in contravention of treaty and law, rejected U.N. Resolution 181, which would have also established a Palestinian State.

So there is no comparison at all between Hamas and The French, The "Patriots", or The Native Americans.

The Palestinians need to recognize reality, and make peace, stop all aggression towards Israel, long enough that Israel can be at peace and trust to it's safety.

The Palestinians lost, it is time for them to recognize that fact and make peace.

Every situation you named above ended in peace, and there are no more wars going on today between those in you examples.
 
Bullshit Roam said:
What Occupation of Gaza?
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The Jews claim they were oppressed by the Nazis
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What Nazis? :shrug:
Israel is by right of U.N. 181 and diplomatic recognition, a legal country,
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"A legal country" with no defined borders and no recognition of indigenous rights of continuous occupation.
it is a country by defense of Arms from aggression by Arabs
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It is a country that armed Jewish militias, to clear the newly created borderless country of indigenous people, whose right to exist is not recognised.
..who in contravention of treaty and law, rejected U.N. Resolution 181, which would have also established a Palestinian State.
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Israel only needed to accept one UN resolution, and it has chosen to ignore another 120.

The Palestinians weren't consulted, they were expected to accept the UN decision regardless.

You're starting to sound a lot like an apologist (??)
 
Vkothii said:
What Nazis? :shrug:
"A legal country" with no defined borders and no recognition of indigenous rights of continuous occupation.
It is a country that armed Jewish militias, to clear the newly created borderless country of indigenous peopl, whose right to exist is not recognised.
Israel only needed to accept one UN resolution, and it has chosen to ignore another 120.

The Palestinians weren't consulted, they were expected to accept the UN decision regardless.

You're starting to sound a lot like an apologist (??)
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You can provide historical confermation of you drivile?

The Borders were defined in U.N. 181 up untill the rejection by the Arabs.
 
S.A.M. said:
Human rights are a luxury of freedom. They don't exist under oppression. Surely you know Maslows hierarchy? Without security, there are no rights.
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I know Maslow's hierarchy very well. Is your claim is that the treatment that of Hamas' opposition, i.e. Fatah supporters and Israeli sympathizers, and that the act of Hamas specifically targeting civilians, is justified because they are under oppression?
 
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