Um spider being denied your right to self determination is not being left alone. and only a bigot would be thankful that peoples lives were destroyed for their wants.
Israeli/Hamas disregard for human life.
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Um spider being denied your right to self determination is not being left alone. and only a bigot would be thankful that peoples lives were destroyed for their wants.
If that's your best insult, I'd advise you argue with pre-k kids, they may actually think your cool for spelling words longer than 4 letters.
PS, dont argue military facts that you are hazy on, I could kick your ass 7 days a week.
Buffalo Roam
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Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
If the Arabs had complied with UNR 181, there would have been a good chance that there would noy be any problems today.
If the Arabs had made a Honest Peace 60 years ago, there would have been a good chance that there would not be any problems today.
The Arabs declared war and lost, and then failed to make a Peace, even the Arabs of Palestine.
If a Peace had been made by the Arabs in 1949, and the Israelis had taken the West Bank and Gaza, I would be on your side all the way, but in 1949,the West Bank was held by Jordan, and Jordan didn't establish a Palestinian State, and the Gaza was held by the Egyptians and the Egyptians didn't establish a Palestinian State, as was called for under UNR 181.
So who really killed the Palestinian State?
If Egypt and Jordan had established a State of Palestine, in 1949, the whole of the West Bank and Gaza would be Palestine now wouldn't it, and any encroachment could be condemned.
UNGAR181 is irrelevant as you yourself prove.
most people won't make peace with invading outsiders.
Well you could make the argument that the jewish declaring the independence of Israel was an act of war because of the denial of self determination.
So because Israel didn't annex all of the palestinian land they bear no blame??? this is one of the most illogical and least intelligent agrument I have ever seen.
Israel bears more blame by a 3:1 margin based on the area of land annexed.
Still showing your lack of intellect and honesty. First Israel annexed over 70% of palestinian land that's what makes them mostly to blame over Egypt and Jordan. and your still resorting to the same moronic well they did it too so Israel isn't to blame.
But officer...
Fallacy. I have put that old dog to rest. Given the past actions of the Colonialists, the Arabs were aware of the underlying agenda.
Fallacy. The "honest peace" you sprout would have been tantamount to the Arabs/Palestinians giving their birthright away to the European interlopers and thanking them heartily for depriving them of their homeland.
Fallacy. The Arabs/Palestinians attempted to reclaim their stolen land from the invaders.
Are you still carrying on about this farce?
The Zionists and their Colonial accomplices.
Are those pajamas striped or polka dot? Palestinians are not Egyptian or Jordanian. This old fallacy has been repeatedly debunked.
Buffalo Roam
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I was talking about what IF's, If the Arabs hadn't made U.N.R. 181 irrelevant, it is only irrelevant because the Arabs made it so by ignoring Their treaty obligation of being a member of the U.N., if they had not made it relevant, it would be very relevant, Grasshopper, but the Arabs went to war and said screw the U.N. now didn't they.
Israel accepted U.N. 181, that is a fact.
So now because of Arab action, U.N.R. 181 isn't relevant, and the situation sucks, for the Arabs of Palestine.
If Egypt and Jordan had established a State of Palestine, in 1949, the whole of the West Bank and Gaza would be Palestine now wouldn't it, and any encroachment by the Israelis could be condemned.
But, in 1949,the West Bank was held by Jordan, and Jordan didn't establish a Palestinian State, and the Gaza was held by the Egyptians and the Egyptians didn't establish a Palestinian State, and the Arabs of those States didn't establish a State of Palestine, as was called for under UNR 181, so because of Arab action, U.N.R. 181 isn't relevant, and the situation sucks, for the Arabs of Palestine.
Still showing your lack of intellect and honesty, but then you never had any to begin with,
Kapish?
not according to you. You have proven that general assembly resolutions have no force as law. So legally it has zero relevance to the creation of any state on the land.
Question why is it in your mind that arab not creating a palestinian state on 20+ percent of the land is arabs preventing the creation of a palestinian state but Israel not creating a palestinian 70+ percent of the land is not Israel preventing the creation of a palestinian state. It was wrong of Eygpt, Jordan, and Israel from annexing palestinian land and preventing the formation of a palestinian country. Guess what continuing the end result of fucking some one over is just as bad as fucking them over in the first place.
Still projecting I see. Please tell me how me calling you on ignoring one your arguments because it is an inconvenience in your bigoted attempt to legitimize the stripping of a people their rights as a people me still showing my "lack" of intellect and honesty and not you showing your lack of intellect and honesty?
Kapish?
Buffalo Roam
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pjdude, now try to really concentrate for just a bit, The U.N.R. 181 would have had force if the Arabs had followed their Treaty obligation to the U.N., and followed the UNR 181, now concentrate really---really hard, and realize that if the Arabs had stayed in side of the U.N. solution, it would have been implemented, and then have by agreement, become Treaty and Law, recognized internationally, and their would have been a Arab State of Palestine.
Now try Really---Really---Really Hard, It was the Arabs, who ignored the U.N. and the Treaty that They had agreed to, to settle disagreements peacefully in the U.N. Councils, It was the Arabs who made the point that the U.N. General Assembly had no power by Law, (I just pointed it out, I proved nothing)to enforce the Resolution.
(It also destroyed your contention that Israel was the bad guy for ignoring U.N. Resolution, the precedent for that was set by the Arabs)
You were the one who was screaming about the Israelis ignoring U.N. General Council Resolution, and what I pointed out it was the Arabs who were the one to ignore UGC resolution, and started a WAR, not the Israelis, the Arabs were the ones to start this in 1948.
Change the name, Arab for Israel, in all of this and I would be against the Israelis, but it isn't wasn't the Israelis who ignored the UNGC, and then declared war to overturn the Resolution by Force.
It was the Arabs, and the Arabs not only didn't want a Jewish State West of the Jordan, the Arabs didn't want a independent Arab Palestinian State West of the Jordan, remember that was part of the UNGCR 181 also.
Remember, Egypt held Gaza, and Jordan Held the West Bank, and if they were so worried about a Palestinian State, they could have established one in 1949.
Buffalo Roam
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Again what Palestinians SAM?
What immigrants Arabs who migrated for economic reasons West of the Jordan?
Did the Arabs follow their obligations?
As my reading of History indicates Emir Feisal I, was the Ruler and Emir of those lands, and as such had the right and Duty to sign Treaty and Agreement, and part of those Treaties and Agreements, created Independent Free Arabs States, so if Emir Feisal I, signature isn't good enough to establish a land for the Jews, why is His signature valid for those Arab States that achieved independence by His negotiation?
Who gives a shit what Emir Faisal said? He had no right to sign anything on behalf of the Palestinians, he was a minor emir of the Hejaz. Completely unrelated to Palestinians living on land the foreign Jews forcibly moved into. They had no obligation to the UN or to the foreign Jews to give them any of their land.
And thus we have one more major obstacle in the Pal issue ...no one has the authority in the conflict on the Pal side of things. If someone, anyone, signs or agrees to anything, it changes nothing ....the rockets keep being fired into Israel daily.
The Pals are nothing but an armed mob! ...in every sense of the word.
And yet you often cited UN authority and announcements when it's in the favor of your favorite biased view of the world.
Baron Max
Buffalo Roam
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Why? Emir Feisal was the Ruler of that area was he not?
And it still comes down to that fact that there were nothing resembling a Palestinians at that time, they were Arabs.
NO such animal as a Palestinian, only Arabs occuping lands by immigration into the British Mandate of Palestine, a area wgo's control was ceeded to Britain when the Ottoman Empire lost WWI, and then melted into History.
Show us any map of a state with boarders know as Palestine before 1920? even before November 29, 1947, there is none.
There is the Arab State of Palestine designated under UNGCR 181, but there is no Palestine.
Ottoman Empire, or British Mandate, or UNCGR, only the Arab State of Palestine.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace+Pro...rocess/UN+General+Assembly+Resolution+181.htm
Even in the UNGCR 181 it states that the Palestinian Mandate:
Nothing is even mentioned about a Palestinian State.
The resolution was accepted by the Jews in Palestine,
yet
rejected by the Arabs in Palestine and the Arab states.
That can be confermed by the Historical records of the U.N.
Of course the Jews accepted. It was not their land. I bet an illegal immigrant would accept it if he got 58% of your property. Would you?
Faisal was emir of Hejaz. But even if the Mayor of your city signed away your property, would you accept it? If the Governer of your state did, would you accept it?
Faisal was emir of Hejaz. But even if the Mayor of your city signed away your property, would you accept it? If the Governer of your state did, would you accept it?
Buffalo Roam
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SAM the Jews lost over 95% of the land when the Brits crawfished the deal to the Arabs, on the Jewish Home land in Palestine, and then when the U.N. cut Resolution 181, the Jews lost another 50% of the remaining land, for a Arab State, the State of Palestinian, is Jordan,
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War is terrible.
Buffalo Roam
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Qui vis pacem para bellum
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
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My friend, you could not even kick your own ass, even if you could spell it "ARSE"!
Okay, what relevance does Einstein's theory of relativity bear to the atomic weapon and why is it that it goes along with quantum physics hand in hand?
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