Israeli/Hamas disregard for human life.

[Vkothii]

Note how the radical with little or nothing to explain the position they cling to, reverts to self-examination, then dismisses any evidence of their stance being wrong; this is in keeping with the requirement for an inflated sense of purpose, when there is no purpose, no direction except clinging to a belief, and inflating that sense of purpose in having that belief.

Such people never actually appraise themselves objectively, since they are the only object that matters; any opinion or belief must therefore be the only opinion or belief that matters...

 

[S.A.M.]

No, that claim is long over and obsolete. They now simply claim the right to defend themselves as a soveriegn nation.

That explains the Americans and Europeans moving in and still occupying Palestinian land.

Not to mention the demographic threat of non-Jews in the "sovereign" nation.

 

[StrawDog]

oh wow that's original, you know i was actally shivering in my boots at the come back that i was gunna get for saying that, all that suspense for "you need to work on spelling and capitol letters" youve got quite the skill for witty remarks havent u?

Yes. Now back to your lessons.

 

[spidergoat]

That explains the Americans and Europeans moving in and still occupying Palestinian land.

Not to mention the demographic threat of non-Jews in the "sovereign" nation.

A sovereign nation can allow immigration or not as they see fit. Like it or not, Israel is not Palestinian land any more. Israel is recognized by the UN and most nations around the world.

 

[S.A.M.]

Unfortunately, apartheid has nothing to do with being sovereign nor does ethnocentrism, real or imagined. German crimes were not less heinous for being conducted by a sovereign nation

 

[spidergoat]

If you call it apartheid, then you acknowledge that the land is Israeli territory.

 

[GeoffP]

Can you refer me?

According to the IAEA, Iran does not possess nuclear weapons, or even weapons-grade uranium. On March 6, 2006, Mohamed ElBaradei, Director General of the IAEA, reported that "the Agency has not seen indications of diversion of nuclear material to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices ... however, after three years of intensive verification, there remain uncertainties with regard to both the scope and the nature of Iran's nuclear programme".[39] However, the inspectors did find some sensitive documents, including instructions and diagrams on how to make uranium into a sphere, which is only necessary to make nuclear weapons. Iran furnished the IAEA with copies, claiming not to have used the information for weapons work, which it had obtained along with other technology and parts in 1987 and the mid-1990s.[40] It is thought this material was sold to them by Abdul Qadeer Khan,[41] though the documents did not have the necessary technical details to actually manufacture a bomb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nuclear

There's been some speculation that the documents are false, of course; but frankly, given the extremity of the regime, safe is better than sorry.

 

[GeoffP]

Unfortunately, apartheid has nothing to do with being sovereign

Well then, you've essentially ratified Israeli immigration then. So we can put the objections on that score to bed. As for the "apartheid" claim, you could argue that Israeli encroachment on the West Bank is vastly unfair - yet at the same time, they've also withdrawn from Gaza, so the situation is not as uniform as you like to imagine.

 

[S.A.M.]

except of course, that there are Palestinians who want to return. What other country in the world denies natives the right to come home and instead opens it's doors to foreigners who share an assumed identity that is neither religion nor ethnicity but based on mythology?

 

[S.A.M.]

If you call it apartheid, then you acknowledge that the land is Israeli territory.

Apartheid has nothing to do with sovereignty. It is possible to practise both xenophobia and racism against natives of a land while occupying them

 

[GeoffP]

except of course, that there are Palestinians who want to return.

And? There are Moroccans who want to "return" to Spain, which was a bad proposition a thousand years ago and has not improved since. There are German revanchionists who want to return to Prussia, to the Sudeten, to Alsace-Lorraine. There are Armenians and Jews who want the return of their property and rights in the Arab world, and in Turkey. Will they be allowed to return also? Are there subtle differences in these claims?

What other country in the world denies natives the right to come home and instead opens it's doors to foreigners who share an assumed identity that is neither religion nor ethnicity but based on mythology?

Actually, if you wanted to argue genetics, they would actually have a stronger claim to the region, seemingly. Nor is their identity "assumed", as we have shown.

But let's leave that aside for a moment - Israel is the sole homeland of Judaism. Do they not at least have the right to buy land from Arabs? Is that impermissible because they are Jews? In which supremacist system does this strike you as reasonable?

 

[S.A.M.]

Homeland of the Jews. The Palestinians do not exist.

 

[GeoffP]

Actually, both exist. Both should have their own state, since they cannot live in peace, the specific reasons of which being thrown up for debate, then eaten, and thrown up again, and devoured again while still warm.

 

[S.A.M.]

I don't think an American who moves to Palestinian lands to fulfil a religious fantasy he is brainwashed into is equivalent to a Palestinian who wants to go home.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Actually, both exist. Both should have their own state, since they cannot live in peace, the specific reasons of which being thrown up for debate, then eaten, and thrown up again, and devoured again while still warm.

Actually, I think the Israelis should just go for the one state solution, shove the Arabs right out of Israel.

The Arabs rejected U.N. 181 and started the war, the Israelis need defensible boarders, and the West Bank is a dagger at the throat of the State of Israel.

It is time for the Arabs to clean up the mess they made, and settle the Arabs from Palestine in their own countries, after all they confiscated 4 times the amount of land from the Jews they ran out of Arab countries as exist in all of Israel.

By Right of Victory, Israel exist and has established a Nation, and so it shall be.

 

[S.A.M.]

Hopefully the days of tribalists such as yourself, also responsible for the treatment of native Americans in this same manner, are numbered.

Israel will not last in it's present form another 50 years. Anyone with a brain cell can see that.

 

[Vkothii]

Both should have their own state, since they cannot live in peace, the specific reasons of which being thrown up for debate

The level of irony here is proportional to the billions spent by Israel convincing Arabs they want to live in peace.

All those shells and cluster bombs, all wasted. Those ungrateful Arabs. 'tsk'

 

[Zakariya04]

Those statements, although repugnant, don't reflect what Zakariya04 said.

hi Spidey

pls explain to me the implications of bombing the Aswan Dam?????

Zak

 

[Zakariya04]

Actually, I think the Israelis should just go for the one state solution, shove the Arabs right out of Israel.

The Arabs rejected U.N. 181 and started the war, the Israelis need defensible boarders, and the West Bank is a dagger at the throat of the State of Israel.

It is time for the Arabs to clean up the mess they made, and settle the Arabs from Palestine in their own countries, after all they confiscated 4 times the amount of land from the Jews they ran out of Arab countries as exist in all of Israel.

By Right of Victory, Israel exist and has established a Nation, and so it shall be.

Hey Buffalo,

i hope all is ok with you

this is ethnic cleansing buffalo!!!!!!!! come on you dont really want that do you

And if the Arab leaders did do that to the Jews as you state then that would mean that Israel is just as bad as the Arabs..

But yes as i have said for a long time the one state solution is the way to go with one person gets one vote regardless of religion ethnicity etc and with the same rights etc etc,

zak

 

[GeoffP]

I don't think an American who moves to Palestinian lands to fulfil a religious fantasy he is brainwashed into is equivalent to a Palestinian who wants to go home.

Who says he's brainwashed? Are Palestinians also not brainwashed?

I'm sorry, but there simply isn't any denying that immigrating Jews bought their land. All the claims of theft result from the loss of the invading Arab armies in 1948. Considering what they were going to do to the Jewish defenders, the taking of those territories seems justified.