Israeli/Hamas disregard for human life.

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and once again showing your intellectual dishonesty. the FT-17 remember that.


I listed the TO& E of all armies, verifiable citation of who supplied whom, and that the British hed taken part in the command of Arab Fprces in the 1948 war, which then blows you accusation that the British supplied the Israelis all to hell.
that wasn't my accusation. my accusation was the before war broke out the british policies ensured a jewish advantage. nice to know your reading comp is still nonexistant.



I have posted a listing of equipment used through out ALL of the Israeli/arab wars.
 
How can you possibly be an Israeli if there is no Israel? The Jews have ONLY been Israelis since the State of Israel was created in 1947.

There was no historical people called the Israelis, this is a modern development. To use the fact that Jews were Israelis to defend their historic claim to Palestine is dishonest.



Of course, I have never disputed this.

um that not entirely true. The ancient kingdom of Israel splintered into to countries. Judeah and Israel.
 
um that not entirely true. The ancient kingdom of Israel splintered into to countries. Judeah and Israel.

What I mean is that pre 1947 Jews could not (honestly) call themselves Israelis. Can I call myself a Goth?
 
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What is this supposed to mean? Are you resorting to comics?
 
They returned it, now everyone can stop worrying about the "human" life in Gaza

The United Nations said on Monday that Hamas has returned all of the aid supplies that it seized from the agency in the Gaza Strip last week.

The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) said the return of the supplies cleared the way for it to resume all of its operations in the Hamas-ruled enclave.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1062802.html
 
and once again showing your intellectual dishonesty. the FT-17 remember that.

As I said yes, I did, but then went on the show that those were not the main force composition of the Arab Armor Forces, they were a very minor part and it isn't even really known if they were committed to combat at all.

The Numbers speak for themselves:

345 Arab Tanks vs 15 Israeli.


that wasn't my accusation. my accusation was the before war broke out the british policies ensured a jewish advantage. nice to know your reading comp is still nonexistant.

I have posted a listing of equipment used through out ALL of the Israeli/arab wars.

Really? and again provide verifiable citation as to those facts, or in plain words, documentation that support you statement.

Here is some in support of My points:

http://www.marxist.com/MiddleEast/Israel_Palestine_historical.html

Fred Weston

By 1939 the British imperialists had decisively rejected any idea of an independent Jewish state. In the same year the British government published a new White Paper restricting Jewish immigration and offering independence for Palestine within ten years. After the introduction of 75,000 more Jews into Palestine during the ensuing five years, the gates would be closed. The way would thus be open for a semi-dependent Arab state that would be a puppet of British imperialism. A divided population, as was the case in Northern Ireland, would have allowed the British to continue to play off one section against the other and thus to maintain overall control. The British required a buffer state which could guarantee them strategic control of the region between the Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf, and at the same time provide protection for the Suez canal.

The 1939 White Paper was rejected as inconsistent with the Mandate by the supervising body of the League of Nations, the Permanent Mandates Commission. But the League of Nations was becoming irrelevant, as the major powers were preparing to sort out their differences through war and Britain treated it with appropriate contempt. Four months later, the Second World War broke out; and the British government executed the White Paper policy as if Palestine had been a British possession. British imperialism restricted the number of Jews entering Palestine, at times brutally.

The most famous example of this was the treatment of the Romanian Jews trying to sail to Israel on the 'Struma'. This vessel arrived in Istanbul on December 20, 1941, carrying 750 Jewish refugees fleeing from Nazi persecution. The Turkish authorities refused permission for these refugees to land in Turkey and enquired with the British whether they could go on to Palestine. The British refused them entry. Their ambassador in Turkey said that his government "did not want these people in Palestine." And he added, "�if they reached Palestine, they might, despite their illegality, receive humane treatment." The logic was that if they were humanely treated then there was the risk of a flood of Jewish refugees wanting to enter Palestine. In the end the ship was towed out to sea and on February 24 sank as the result of an explosion. Only two people survived. Thus huge numbers of desperate Jews were trapped in Nazi-occupied Europe with nowhere to go.
 
The most famous example of this was the treatment of the Romanian Jews trying to sail to Israel on the 'Struma'. This vessel arrived in Istanbul on December 20, 1941, carrying 750 Jewish refugees fleeing from Nazi persecution. The Turkish authorities refused permission for these refugees to land in Turkey and enquired with the British whether they could go on to Palestine. The British refused them entry. Their ambassador in Turkey said that his government "did not want these people in Palestine." And he added, "�if they reached Palestine, they might, despite their illegality, receive humane treatment." The logic was that if they were humanely treated then there was the risk of a flood of Jewish refugees wanting to enter Palestine. In the end the ship was towed out to sea and on February 24 sank as the result of an explosion. Only two people survived. Thus huge numbers of desperate Jews were trapped in Nazi-occupied Europe with nowhere to go.

Which is why the Americans took them in. Right?

Hitler's propaganda ministry and the Nazi Party conceived a propaganda exercise which would demonstrate that Germany was not alone in its territorial exclusionary hostility towards Jews as a permanent minority within the political economy of their nation[citation needed]. The Nazis wanted to prove the “civilized world” agreed with their assertion that Jews constituted a “hidden hand” of influence on national and economic affairs. They meant to show that no other Western country would receive Jews as refugees.

On the surface, it would appear that the Nazis were allowing the Jewish refugees a new life in Havana. However, the Nazis were aware of rising Western anti-Semitism and correctly surmised that Jews traveling on tourist visas (not immigrant visas, which none of the potential host countries would likely have issued them) would not be able to enter Cuba, since they were clearly political and social refugees. Furthermore, once they had been refused entry by Cuba and other Atlantic nations, the world would be forced to admit that there was, as the Nazis claimed, a “Jewish problem,” which Germany was trying to resolve “humanely.”

Since not one of the countries of the North Atlantic basin would allow the Jewish refugees entry, these countries could not morally object when Nazi Germany dealt with its own Jewish population as it saw fit.

As expected, on the ship’s arrival in Cuba, the Cuban government under Federico Laredo Brú refused the passengers both entry as tourists or political asylum. This prompted a near mutiny. Two passengers attempted suicide and dozens more threatened to do the same. However, 29 of the refugees did manage to disembark at Havana.[3]

On June 4, 1939, the St. Louis was also refused permission to land her passengers under orders from President Roosevelt as the ship waited between Florida and Cuba. Initially, Roosevelt showed limited willingness to take some of those on board despite the Immigration Act of 1924, but vehement opposition came from Roosevelt’s Secretary of State, Cordell Hull, and from Southern Democrats—some of whom went so far as to threaten to withhold their support of Roosevelt in the 1940 presidential election if he allowed it.

The St. Louis then tried to enter Canada but was denied permission as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_St._Louis

345 Arab Tanks vs 15 Israeli.

No army vs trained combat force. Remember, the Jews were planning a takeover, by force. They were training for it. The Arabs were not planning to evict the Jews. They were not training for it. The Bar Giora, for example, was formed in 1907.


Bar-Giora (Hebrew: בַּר גִּיּוֹרָא‎) was a clandestine Jewish organization of the Second Aliya, the precursor of Hashomer.

On September 28, 1907, a group of activists from Poalei Zion gathered in Yitzhak Ben-Zvi's tiny Jaffa apartment. There was no furniture, the men sat on the floor in a circle and used a crate for a desk. Inspired by Israel Shochat's ideas, they agreed that the only way to fulfill the dream of becoming a Jewish nation was to rise up and assert themselves through cultivating and defending their land themselves. The state of things in the early years of the 20th Century in Palestine, was such that Jewish farmers employed Arabs to work their farms and protect them, and in turn were subject to landlords, such as Edmond de Rothschild's agents. There was much discontent and disillusionment.

The group decided to form an organization to accomplish their goals. They named it Bar-Giora after one of the leaders of the Jewish Revolt against the Romans.

As a motto, they chose a line from Yaakov Cohen's poem, "Habiryonim": "In fire and blood did Judea fall; in blood and fire Judea shall rise." This was one of the mottos of the Jewish defenders during the pogroms in the Russian Empire. Israel Shochat was elected leader. The members swore an oath of secrecy, discipline, selfless service, devotion to the cause and loyalty. All decisions had to be ratified by a unanimous vote. Ben-Zvi's role was to further the cause and raise support for it. Each member was to have had at least a year's experience in farming. Taking charge of guarding the land was put off until the members of the organization had gained enough experience and knowledge of the land. They decided to operate in the Galilee and most of them were part of the collective in Sejera. They then guarded the farms in Sejera and Masahe. Bar-Giora was absorbed into Hashomer.
 
I am right of you but that don't make me a Fascist, actually Fascism is just right of Communism, and well left of European Liberalism/American Conservatism.

OK, I am happy for you.

Really, then could the same be said for you?

To give you an example of tolerance: Palestinians are also entitled to humanitarian beliefs that sympathize with the murder of innocents and are appalled by Hamas's atrocities.

You don`t quite get it do you? :)

Where haven't you?

This is a unfounded and false statement.

Then why haven't you condemned the Hamas organization?

Simply because Hamas is not committing genocide. Nor is Hamas the instigator (historic and present) and root cause of the conflict.

Hamas is attempting to defend the Palestinians in Gaza from what appears to be genocide perpetrated by an overwhelmingly superior force. In Gaza the people are and have been for 2 years - imprisoned, starved, deprived of medical treatment and medicines, terrorized, assassinated, denied water, denied education, etc.

Why would I condemn a freely elected government that is resisting unfair oppression?

No, again when have you posted any condemnation of the Actions of Hamas?

If you have read my posts I have rejected violence by both parties as a solution to the problem. Unconditional dialogue should be commenced between ALL parties INCLUDING Hamas. Example of similar circumstance: Without the inclusion of the ANC, historically recognized as a terrorist organization, there would have been no solution to the South African apartheid regime.

Every post you have made to me places the blame squarely on Israel, in a long and continuing mantra.

The reason being that the blame (overwhelmingly) lies at the feet of Israel and its enablers. :) If you had any humanity you would recognize this very simple reality. :(
 
Which is why the Americans took them in. Right?

Which is why India took them in. Right?



Never defended those action by the Roosevelt administration, now why didn't the Canadians take them in, and why aren't you BAMing about that?


No army vs trained combat force. Remember, the Jews were planning a takeover, by force. They were training for it. The Arabs were not planning to evict the Jews. They were not training for it. The Bar Giora, for example, was formed in 1907

Really, lets start here:

The dissent began in Jaffa when the followers of Sheikh Izz ad-Din al-QassamIzz ad-Din al-Qassam Overview

Sheikh Izz ad-Din al-Qassam was an influential Islamist preacher in the British Mandate of Palestine....
, who was killed in a 1935 shootout with the British, initiated a general strike in Jaffa, Nablus, and then launched attacks on Jewish and British installations. 85 Jews were killed during the first days of the strike. Also instrumental was Hajj Amin al-Husayni, who was then the president of the newly formed Arab High Committee. The revolt was a protest against and put an end to JewJew Summary

http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/avineri33

within the Palestinian community resulted in two armed militias – one based on the Husseini clan, the other on the more moderate Nashashibis – that turned viciously on each other. More Palestinians were killed by contending militias than by the British army or the Jewish self-defense forces.

Husseini clan mallitia and the Nashashibis mallitias.

The third failure – even more tragic – occurred in 1947-48, when Palestinian Arabs rejected the United Nations partition plan, which envisaged separate Arab and Jewish states after the departure of the British. While Jews accepted this compromise, the Palestinian Arabs, supported by the Arab League countries, rejected it and went to war against the emerging State of Israel.

Indeed, many Palestinian political leaders absconded to Beirut or Cairo once violence broke out. The Husseini clan set up its militia in the Jerusalem area. Near Tel Aviv, in adjoining Jaffa, a competing militia under Hassan Salameh, took control. In the north of the country, a Syrian-based militia, under Fawzi al-Kaukji, attacked Jewish villages. The more moderate Haifa Arabs tried, not very successfully, to stay out of the fray.

So what were the Plans of the Arabs with all of these Militias?

To kiss the Jews, and swap spit?
 
1935 is after 1907. In case you had not realised it.

What would the US do if a group of recent immigrants started a clandestine military in an attempt to form a religious state [by taking over the land] that was not desired by over 90% of the population?
 
1935 is after 1907. In case you had not realised it.

What would the US do if a group of recent immigrants started a clandestine military in an attempt to form a religious state [by taking over the land] that was not desired by over 90% of the population?

And what does that have to do with reality?

U.N. 181 that is reality.

Arabs attacking Jews that is a reality, Jews attacking Arabs that is a reality.

Arabs rejecting U.N. 181 and a Peacful solution is a reality.

That the Arabs were 90% of the population west of the Jordan is not a reality.

What would the US do if a group of recent immigrants started a clandestine military in an attempt to form a religious state [by taking over the land] that was not desired by over 90% of the population?

This is not a reality.
 
What I mean is that pre 1947 Jews could not (honestly) call themselves Israelis. Can I call myself a Goth?

Do you wish to be a Goth?

Modern interpretation yes, historicly
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you might have a problem, if you wish to be a German immigtrate to eastern Germany, and apply for citizenship, no problem, your a Goth.
 
U.N. 181 that is reality.
Yes, we must all remember that the UN has only ever made one ruling, in its entire history. This was resolution 181.

"But what has the UN really done other than allowing the creation of fundamentalist Israel? Well, nothing at all. The UN no longer exists except as some vague idea."
Arabs attacking Jews that is a reality, Jews attacking Arabs that is a reality.
The new reality, is war. This is part of resolution 181 too, which says "the Jews must attack the Arabs, and vice versa, to fulfil this prophecy, this resolution handed down by God"

Arabs rejecting U.N. 181 and a Peacful solution is a reality.
"The faithless heathens have denied the prophecy, and must be punished for their godlessness"
That the Arabs were 90% of the population west of the Jordan is not a reality.
"Arabs have no place in the holy nation the god-given Jews do."
 
Note: once you have the definition of a pure Jewish line, you have a reference point to compare all the inferior ones to it.

This is helpful when constructing fantasies that describe the overwhelming superiority of the chosen race. Mein Kampf requires that I define an enemy who the prophecy says will be in contention, who will wail and gnash their teeth against the holy restoration, and go to war to try to prevent it.
 
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