Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict

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Preacher_X said:
oh God not another Yahoo geocites created by Kiwi 123. :rolleyes:

what are you talking about? I gave you pictures and this is all you can say?
I guess you don't want to talk about it, fine.

Preacher_X said:
aswell as that foreign journalists have captured many many times Israeli helpicopters, tanks, solderis etc. aiming at civillians, maerked ambulances etc.

can you show me a picture of an IDF soldier shooting a civillian?
please, I wanna see it.

Preacher_X said:
apart from that many foriegn jouranalists have been killed, Foreign peace actavists have been killed, UN officails have been shot at, had their convoys illegally searched and destroyed, British MP's have even been shot at.

and all this was done by...let me guess............ ISRAEL??
yeah sure, why not, probably keeps Israel busy when its not shooting at civillians.
you know what, I wanna see how any other country could handle this
situation.
so tell me, what would you do if you were Israel?
 
No, I think probably a Palestinian sniper with an Israeli gun killed that girl.

Why do you continually suspend reality? I mean I could talk nonsense too…really that was one of the most pathetic excuses for a cognitive human being I have seen in a while.

They already kill Palestian children with their suicide bombs,

Since when do they blow themselves up in Gaza against the very same people they are supposed to save. That’s an Israel tactic…

so why wouldn't they shoot their own children to further their cause, she will be a martyr anyway, right?

WE know that Israel has committed terrorist acts and blamed it on the Arabs…the Lavon affair for instance. How do we know that Israel is still not doing that? You have the M.Oon your side.

No harm done, she goes to heaven, and the Palestinian terrorists get another propaganda tool.

The only harm done here was to human dignity.
 
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"Since when do they blow themselves up in Gaza against the very same people they are supposed to save. That’s an Israel tactic…"
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Are you saying there are never any arab victims of Palestinian terrorism? That there were no muslims on those buses, for instance?
 
Too little too late:

An Israeli soldier caught on camera beating Palestinians at an army checkpoint has been jailed for six months by a military court.
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three judge panel described the soldier's behaviour as "disgraceful."
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The soldier told the court there had been other occasions when he had punched or kicked Palestinians.
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He also admitted smashing the windscreens of Palestinian taxis that had been slow to stop at the checkpoint.
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Palestinians have long complained of routine abuses at military checkpoints and the army's failure to punish the soldiers responsible
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3680630.stm

I am happy that the Israeli courts have finally done something about the obvious. How many times do we hear the “we don’t do that” nonsense for Zionists and Israeli’s? It is more then obvious that the IDF beats up, and abuses innocent people trying to cross the “border” into Israel. The problem is that this is more endemic then this one soldier, although his abuses must have been completely horrid, there are lesser abuses done by many border guards. Getting out a ghetto is never easy…

Also we have more apartheidist policies done by the Israeli’s:

"Israel invokes spurious 'security' justifications for a law which institutionalizes racial discrimination and violates international law," said Amnesty International.
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The law, initially passed for a one-year-period last year, was extended for six months on Wednesday. It bars Israelis married to Palestinians from the Occupied Territories from living with their spouses in Israel, and forces families to either live apart or leave the country altogether.
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"The Israeli authorities must repeal this law once and for all, and must put an end to discrimination based on ethnicity or nationality," said Amnesty International.
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Israeli ministers and officials repeatedly described Palestinian citizens of Israel (Israeli Arabs) as a "demographic threat" and a threat to the Jewish character of the state. This law is part of a long standing policy aimed at restricting the number of Palestinian citizens and residents of Israel…
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http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE150782004?open&of=ENG-ISR

This is no question apartheid, no matter what the justification maybe (no matter how fallacious), there is no way in a western democracy that Israel claims to be that people are racially segregated against because they aren’t “Jewish” (whatever that means in the Israeli context). Why do we more advanced truly western liberal democracies support a South African derivative state? Israel is lucky that she has so much power in the halls of power in the US that her deserved sanctions haven’t been instituted. The only problem for Israel that since the US’ economic power is sure to fade, who will pay her bills? Israel lacks what a state needs…legitimacy and as long as that eludes her, she will never be able to live in peace. Some more apartheidist policies of the Israeli state:

Thousands of other houses have been damaged, and tens of thousands of others are under threat of demolition, their occupants living in fear of homelessness.
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House demolitions are usually carried out without warning, often at night, and the occupants are forcibly evicted with no time to salvage their belongings. Often the only warning is the rumbling of the Israeli army’s US-made Caterpillar bulldozers beginning to tear down the walls of their homes.
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House demolition has been a long-standing policy in the Occupied Territories and in the Arab sector in Israel. However, in the past three and a half years the scale of the destruction has reached an unprecedented level. The destruction of Palestinian homes, agricultural land and other property in the Occupied Territories, is inextricably linked to Israel’s long-standing policy of appropriating as much as possible of the land it occupies, notably by establishing Israeli settlements in violation of international law. In Israel it is essentially the homes of Palestinian citizens of Israel (Israeli Arabs) which are targeted for demolition. The phenomenon is linked to the state’s policy of large-scale confiscation of land, restrictive planning regulations and discriminatory policies in the allocation of state land which makes it difficult or impossible for Israeli Arabs to obtain building permits.
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http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE150402004?open&of=ENG-ISR

Now I know that some will say that Amnesty international is an anti-Semitic organization (frankly the truth is anti-Semitic), but I doubt that Amnesty international hates the Hebrew language. The reality is that Israel is living a lie, a lie that she is a democracy, a lie that rights for all Israeli’s are the same, a lie that Arabs live side by side in equality in Israel. The racist, elitist, and self-destructive policies of Israel will guarantee her in the vault of historical mistakes, akin to East Germany, and the USSR, states founded on ideology not facts will wither and die eventually. You live by the sword so will you die by it…by suicide.
 
spidergoat said:
"erm so in the middle of a maths lesson an Israeli sniper sees a bunch of kids sitting down in a classroom and mistakes them for armed Palestinan terrorists "

No, I think probably a Palestinian sniper with an Israeli gun killed that girl. They already kill Palestian children with their suicide bombs, so why wouldn't they shoot their own children to further their cause, she will be a martyr anyway, right? No harm done, she goes to heaven, and the Palestinian terrorists get another propaganda tool.

well if you want to make "theories" then read about how Jerws helped in the Holocaust, how jews helped killing Jews and exiling them from Arabs lands etc. all to further their goals of Zionism.

and the whole martyr thing is getting stupid now if Palestine is Islam the Israel is Jewish. and a basic thing for yhou if these people are purposefully killing Muslim girls then i dont think they believe ion the whole martyr thing do they as their not exactly what you would say "practising Muslim" are they? :rolleyes:

and i dont think Palestinians can get their hadns on many Isreali sniper guns and other IDF weaopns such as the Gaul 5.56 Assualt rifle. Israel also use many other very powerful guns that can are powerful enough to shot body parts off

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denying everything is becming a stupid Zionist tactic now. those pictures are stupid one sided misleading pics. firstly the pics could be training exercises so peoole are gathering round, they could be propagand shots , they could be fake, perhaps the hills that the milatants were firing from were tyhe only places of safety from the advancing IDF sodleirs.

are all the UN officals, foreign journalists, MPs and Polciticans,, Foreign peace actvists even Israelis themseleves are they all also lying human shields??? THEN WHY ARE THEY GETTING SHOT AND KILLED????

your theory is tatally stupid... so Palestinians line up in their hundreds ready to stand in the middle of battlefields and not do anything and be killed and have their familes be killed whil standding around not even igting atleast.

the same can be said for the Israeli "settelers" who stand around in the middle of battlefields.

where are the human shield here???

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Oct 18 2000

Emergency Medical Services (EMS) of the Red Crescent

To-date 24 of our ambulances have been hit by live ammunition by Israelis in 42 separate attacks. 27 Emergency Medical Technicians have been injured, and one killed. PRCS has logged 47 incidents of denial of access to ambulances at roadblocks. EMS continues to utilize vehicles now in desperate need of repair due to lack of replacements and personnel. The 8 ambulances received from the Norwegian Red Cross are already working in the field.

Total Attacks on Ambulances by Israelis: 42

Total Ambulances Damaged (some vehicles attacked more than once): 24

Total EMT Personnel Injured: 27

EMT Killed: 1

Violations & Restrictions of Ambulance Access: 47
 
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I'm so unaffected by this one-sided propaganda against Israel in light of the carnage of suicide bombers. I concede there is a war between these people, and war is often brutal, what's your point? As long as Palestinians are determined to kill them, Israelis will make life miserable for them.
 
As long as Palestinians are determined to kill them, Israelis will make life miserable for them.

Actually it was the other way around; you came into their land, and made their lives miserable. You invaded their regions, you stole (yes stole, not an empty propaganda tool), kicked people off their lands, destroyed over 175,000 Arab homes in "Democratic" Israel, do you expect peace? When the whole Zionist program is predicated on getting the Arabs out of their land, how can we expect them not to react?
 
The arabs have still never left their land, sure, individuals left their plots, but they could move in any direction hundreds of miles and they would still be on "arab" land. The Jews were not invaders, but refugees. Just like the early european immigrants to America, they were poor people looking for a new life. Just like (some) arrogant Indians claiming everything in sight as their own, the arabs violently refused to accept change, and the Jews had no choice but a proactive defense. The Jews have learned not to depend on the political process or anyone but themselves to look after their welfare. The world has taught them this. The world refused to accept them after the Germans attempted genocide, even the United States left them on freighters, going from port to port looking for refuge. You don't have to wonder about why they chose their ancestral homeland to make a stand. It was bad enough for the Arabs to tacitly approve of the facists, the least they could do was accept UN partition after the greatest conflict the world has yet known was over. The whole arab program is predicated on removing infidels from large areas of the planet, and that's wrong.
 
spidergoat said:
The whole arab program is predicated on removing infidels from large areas of the planet, and that's wrong.

the Zionist program is to remove ALL non jews from all of Arabia and even further such as places which Israel stupidly claims as their such as kashmir.

spidergoat said:
The whole arab program is predicated on removing infidels from large areas of the planet, and that's wrong.

if that is true then please explain to me why there are so many Infidels in the islamic world and more specifcally why more Synagogues were built in the time of the Khilaf then at any other time.

Arabs have ruled over nearly all lands that Jews/Other relugions have been so if it really is the Arab program to exterminate the infidel then why are theere so many infidel in:

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thats a 15th century map so later on there was even more. also they could of pushed further in but didn't

so what Arab program are you talking about :confused: are you confused with the Israeli movement for the extermination of Gentiels from Ertez Israel and the "ararb program"??? :confused:
 
spidergoat said:
I'm so unaffected by this one-sided propaganda against Israel in light of the carnage of suicide bombers. I concede there is a war between these people, and war is often brutal, what's your point? As long as Palestinians are determined to kill them, Israelis will make life miserable for them.

well i think Undecided has answered you well enough

Actually it was the other way around; you came into their land, and made their lives miserable. You invaded their regions, you stole (yes stole, not an empty propaganda tool), kicked people off their lands, destroyed over 175,000 Arab homes in "Democratic" Israel, do you expect peace? When the whole Zionist program is predicated on getting the Arabs out of their land, how can we expect them not to react?

but still...

spidergoat said:
I'm so unaffected by this one-sided propaganda against Israel in light of the carnage of suicide bombers. I concede there is a war between these people, and war is often brutal, what's your point? As long as Palestinians are determined to kill them, Israelis will make life miserable for them.

the exact same can be said the other way round to the Israelis. i can assure you that the Palestinians will not roll over and play dead to the Israelis, so get used to it.
 
Preacher_X said:
the Zionist program is to remove ALL non jews from all of Arabia and even further such as places which Israel stupidly claims as their such as kashmir.
Rediculous, Israel itself has many non-jewish citizens.


Preacher_X said:
if that is true then please explain to me why there are so many Infidels in the islamic world and more specifcally why more Synagogues were built in the time of the Khilaf then at any other time.
Arabs have ruled over nearly all lands that Jews/Other relugions have been so if it really is the Arab program to exterminate the infidel then why are theere so many infidel in:
thats a 15th century map so later on there was even more. also they could of pushed further in but didn't
so what Arab program are you talking about :confused: are you confused with the Israeli movement for the extermination of Gentiels from Ertez Israel and the "ararb program"??? :confused:

In history, the arabs were not so intolerant as they are now, the move towards Islamofacism and Fundamentalism is recent. They can no longer rest on the laurels of their enlightened ancestors.
 
no cos Islam has not changed for 1400 years so nothing has been added. however for the past 100 years the entire Islamic world has been severely corrupted, persecuted, ruled over and the people are suffering. the Islamic Khilifah has collapased, puppet dictators have replaced them. naturally somnething radical has to be done... terrorism. these peple happen to be Juslims so they will naturally use Islam to legitimize, support and encouirage and whil the majority of Muslims may ignore this there will always be a handful of people ready to do what they can to put things right.

Rediculous, Israel itself has many non-jewish citizens.

firstlry the Arabs who lived there origainally have been kicked out and there are 4 million refugees. :rolleyes: there are active legit politcal groups to get rid of the Arabs. Israel has racist marrage laws, Arabs are inferior (in reallity but not by law), and the majority of Israelis want ALL ARABS TO LEAVE ISRAEL
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and then we have Zionism of course, crazy setterrs, racial hatred from the talmud, Torah + Old Testament,
 
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This is the best report that I have read on the Israel-Palestine crisis:


http://g.msn.com/9SE/1?http://www.z...461744ac6ae341367c6798d67&POS=11&CM=WPU&CE=11




From the article:



What has U.S. policy been?

U.S. military, economic, and diplomatic support has made possible the Israeli repression of the previous year and a half.

Much of the weaponry Israel has been using in its attacks on Palestinians either was made in the United States (F-16s, attack helicopters, rockets, grenade launchers, Caterpillar bulldozers, airburst shells, M-40 ground launchers) or made in Israel with U.S. Department of Defense research and development funding (the Merkava tank).

On March 26, 2001, the Security Council considered a resolution to establish an international presence in the Occupied Territories as a way to prevent human rights violations. The United States vetoed the resolution. Because Israel did not want the U.S. to get involved diplomatically, Washington did not name a special envoy to the region, General Zinni, until November 2001, more than a year after the Intifada began. Bush met four times with Sharon during the Intifada, never with Arafat. In February 2002, Vice President Cheney declared that Israel could "hang" Arafat.47




God Bless the USA huh?
 
The arabs have still never left their land, sure, individuals left their plots, but they could move in any direction hundreds of miles and they would still be on "arab" land.

But they wouldn't be on their land, its like telling me to leave where I live because there just happens to be a bunch of ppl 500km away who speak the same lanugage as I do. Why should I have to leave my ancestral home for a bunch of sinning,atheistic, reality repressing, sycophantic individuals, who have no connection to that land other then religion on which they reject, and who are actually ethnically Russian but say they have more of a claim to MY land then I do! Yes the sick retarded logic.

The Jews were not invaders, but refugees. Just like the early european immigrants to America, they were poor people looking for a new life.

It's not so much the fact that Zionists (not Jews, let's not defame the term) came to the land to seek refuge, that's not really the issue. The issue is how that transformed itself into creating a situation for the Palestinians, that you were in yourselves. You seem to forget this, that you are the new Romans by kicking ppl off their land on which they lived for thousands of years. Early Zionists claimed the land was empty, but when reality hit what did they do? Did they change their plans? No they wanted to kick all the ppl off their land for a "Hebrew Lebensraum".

the arabs violently refused to accept change, and the Jews had no choice but a proactive defense.

Who in their right minds not refuse to accept this? Who in their right mind would not cry foul at the fact that Zionists constituted around 35% of the population ,and less then 50% of the land yet got 15% more then their population granted them in 1947-48?

The Jews have learned not to depend on the political process or anyone but themselves to look after their welfare.

That's funny I thought it was Israel who is getting $12 billion a year from the US. Sorry but Israel cannot even sustain itself, that's what happens when you are living by the sword.

You don't have to wonder about why they chose their ancestral homeland to make a stand.

Their what? LOL please don't urinate anymore on basic human dignity then you have thus far. That is not your ancestral homeland because you are not a Jew, and a Jew is a religious person, we have already dealt with this. Now I know you Zionists LOVE to twist reality and make new truths, but sorry it ain't going to fly with me. And you know this, why are you even bothering to make yourself, and your atheist state look even more foolish then it already does?

It was bad enough for the Arabs to tacitly approve of the facists, the least they could do was accept UN partition after the greatest conflict the world has yet known was over.

Or Jabotsky offering Hitler actual physical assistence? Also you forget that FACT that 9,000 Palestinians fought for the British, and almost none fought for the Nazi's, if any. Are we to deny Indians their right to independence too because some token few fought for the nazi's and Japanese? If you are going to be an idiot about this, make it universal.

The whole arab program is predicated on removing infidels from large areas of the planet, and that's wrong.

Sorry that's Israel's policy...750,000 ppl expelled from their homes speak louder then your petty words.
 
Why should I have to leave my ancestral home for a bunch of... [blah, blah, blah] ...who have no connection to that land other then religion on which they reject, and who are actually ethnically Russian but say they have more of a claim to MY land then I do!
Because, your arab brothers decided that an internationaly endorsed homeland for displaced "infidels" could not be tolerated. The Jewish claim was not as in "something claimed in a formal or legal manner, especially a tract of public land staked out by a miner or homesteader. ", since it is obvious such claims have no credibility with arabs, but rather, "To demand, ask for, or take as one's own or one's due". Jews felt, in that turbulent time, that they were owed a refuge free from persecution, even if they had to fight for it, which, in the beginning, was not the case.
You seem to forget this, that you are the new Romans by kicking ppl off their land on which they lived for thousands of years.
But the situation was not imperialistic, it was more analagous to the dividing of Germany into east and west. Couldn't you also say that in restricting Germans from half of their own country, they were "kicked out of the land on which they lived for thousands of years"? It was in the aftermath of a world war and many people had to make sacrifices, so suck it up and move on. And this displacement didn't happen in a vacuum, but in the context of mutual violence, which you so easily dismiss. The Palestinians created this situation for themselves through their xenophobia.
Who in their right mind would not cry foul at the fact that Zionists constituted around 35% of the population ,and less then 50% of the land yet got 15% more then their population granted them in 1947-48?
You have to anticipate future immigration, not base the division of land of present circumstances.
That is not your ancestral homeland because you are not a Jew, and a Jew is a religious person, we have already dealt with this.
I never said Israel was MY homeland, I don't want to live there, my religious beliefs are irrelevant in this context. Jews are mostly religious, some not, just like Catholics or anyone else. The religious Jews have religious reasons for living in the birthplace of their religion, just like Mecca is sacred to muslims, the less religious couldn't care less, but they are still a part of the family, it wouldn't be right to have some kind of a religious litmus test in order to stay with your family, friends and relatives.
Are we to deny Indians their right to independence too because some token few fought for the nazi's and Japanese?
I don't think anyone wants to deny the Palestinians their right to independence, that has never been the issue, but we have a complicated situation now, it must be considered within the context of historical events. If the Palestinians wanted to make make their case, and be diplomatic, they wouldn't have resorted to mob violence and military force. Once you do that, it changes everything. I may be in danger of losing the family farm due to non-payment of taxes, but once I shoot the tax collector, there is no further appeal.
Sorry that's Israel's policy...750,000 ppl expelled from their homes speak louder then your petty words.
The Palestinian refugees left before the creation of the state of Israel, so it couldn't have been "Israel's policy", at the time there was no Israel! LOL
 
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Because, your arab brothers decided that an internationaly endorsed homeland for displaced "infidels" could not be tolerated.

I don’t have Arab brothers because I am not Arabic, but I digress. Firstly the problem with this statement is that it essentially does not deal with the issue. The issue is not 1948 its 1967, and Israel agreed to have the West Bank and Gaza not under her control. Now that Israel has illegally broken that cease fire agreement for over 30 years, and has illegally annexed their land, and their lives she can expect no peace.

Jews felt, in that turbulent time, that they were owed a refuge free from persecution, even if they had to fight for it, which, in the beginning, was not the case.

The problem is that this isn’t a Jewish experience, this is not a Jewish claim, many Jews have been vehemently opposed to the State of Israel and Zionism for good reason. Now the problem being that Jews have no homeland, and they are essentially a homeless people, and according to their own religion that is the way it should be until the appropriate time. So again this is predicated on something else, something that is uniquely non-Jewish, and since it is not Jewish it has not claim to the land which is Palestine.

But the situation was not imperialistic, it was more analagous to the dividing of Germany into east and west.

Oh what do you think dividing up the world was? You don’t think that was imperialistic? Soviet imperialism, vs. American imperialism was hot stuff after WWII. Much of the world’s messes were created in that time, from North and South Korea, to Israel/Palestine. The dividing up of Germany was a neo-imperialist measure taken by the victorious powers at the time.

Couldn't you also say that in restricting Germans from half of their own country, they were "kicked out of the land on which they lived for thousands of years"?

No because Germans were not forced out of their homes in the West, or in the East to either side. Now of course it was a separation of the same people from each other, same like the Arab states. You see right now you have given me the greatest ammo, for you see like the Germans the Arabs were separated by imperialism, and they originally wanted an Arabic state which was promised to them prior to the Balfour declaration (which made the Balfour declaration invalid). So the only reason why Israel exists is directly because of imperialism.

And this displacement didn't happen in a vacuum, but in the context of mutual violence, which you so easily dismiss.

There was no displacement in Germany...so think again.

The Palestinians created this situation for themselves through their xenophobia.

The Palestinians created nothing, Zionism created this situation it had to. How could the Palestinians create this situation? The Arab people in 1919 enormously rejected Zionism, and its plans. In 1948 most if not all Arabs rejected Zionism, yet we rejected these people’s right to self-determination. Sorry but this situation was created by a bunch of Eastern European zealots not Palestinians.

You have to anticipate future immigration, not base the division of land of present circumstances.

That’s nonsense, the reality on the ground was that Zionists owned little compared to that of the Arabs, and their population did not justify such a huge land grab at the time. If you wanted to get what you deserved you should have waited.

I never said Israel was MY homeland, I don't want to live there, my religious beliefs are irrelevant in this context.

You don’t have any religious beliefs so, all I consider you is a American.

Jews are mostly religious, some not, just like Catholics or anyone else.

Sorry but if you are a Catholic you have to believe in God and Jesus, if you are Jew the same deal (save Jesus). If not you are an atheist by definition.

The religious Jews have religious reasons for living in the birthplace of their religion

Oh they do, but they also have religious reasons of why not to go back.

the less religious couldn't care less, but they are still a part of the family, it wouldn't be right to have some kind of a religious litmus test in order to stay with your family, friends and relatives.

Sorry but the only reason why you are a family is because of your religion, reject that you aren’t family anymore no matter how much you may like to dream you are.

I don't think anyone wants to deny the Palestinians their right to independence, that has never been the issue, but we have a complicated situation now, it must be considered within the context of historical events.
Of course many Israeli’s want no such thing as an independent Palestinian state, and many want all Arabs expelled from Eretz Israel. So that’s nonsense, when you have these ideological freak peace will never happen.

If the Palestinians wanted to make make their case, and be diplomatic, they wouldn't have resorted to mob violence and military force.

They didn’t in the 90’s and what did they get out of it? Not much. Same goes for Israel, why is occupying, illegally colonizing land that is not hers, and building walls on another people’s land?

The Palestinian refugees left before the creation of the state of Israel, so it couldn't have been "Israel's policy", at the time there was no Israel! LOL

…at this point, of a Zionist policy to forcibly expel or evacuate Arabs- though instances of intimidation of local villages seemed to hasten the process, and isolated, ominous evictions had begun in March (1948)…As the British evacuated areas of the country, the Haganah implemented the core of its new stragetic thinking what it called Plan Dalet…While Plan Dalet did not directly call for the eviction of Palestinains from their homes, it did give free reign to Haganah officers ‘to clear out and destroy the clusters of hostile or potentially hostile Arab villages dominating vital axes” (Kimmerling 157)
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“The final decimation of Palestinian Arab society during the war involved a mass expulsion by Israeli’s from within the boundaries of what was to become their new state. In one ten-day period in July 1948, Israeli commanders sometimes nudged, sometimes drove over 100,000 Arabs into Parts of Palestine held by the Transjordanians, the Egyptians, and the Liberation Army, as well as into Lebanon. At times, Muslisms were expelled while Druze and Christians were allowed to remain. In the Israeli offensive in October 1948 which routed the Liberation Army and the Egyptian, another 100,000 150,000 Arabs became refugees. (Kimmerling 162-63)

So laugh like an idiot…
 
Palestinian kids see 'martyrs' as heroes

Palestinian kids see 'martyrs' as heroes

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Palestinian minors living in Jabilya refugee camp have been raised on daily diet of Israeli army incursions, checkpoints.

By Tangi Quemener - GAZA CITY

Young Palestinians living in an atmosphere of constant violence are fascinated with becoming a "martyr," but are almost never involved in anti-Israeli attacks, child specialists said Sunday.

The issue captured the spotlight last week when a 16-year-old Palestinian was caught trying to pass through an Israeli checkpoint near the West Bank city of Nablus.

The arresting image of him standing alone with his hands up and the explosives strapped to his chest were splashed across the front-pages of Israeli and foreign newspapers.

The incident stoked fears Palestinian youngsters are becoming increasingly caught up in the conflict with Israel.

In the teeming Jabilya refugee camp just north of Gaza City, Yunis and Mohammed, two typical 13-year-olds, said they had no desire to become doctors or teachers when they grow up.

"I want to be a martyr", they chimed.

Some 52 percent of the 1.2 million inhabitants of this narrow strip of land abutting the Mediterranean are aged under 18.

All of them have been raised on an almost daily diet of Israeli army incursions and checkpoints and clashes involving Palestinian militants.

Palestinian rights groups say that around 600 minors have been killed in the violence which has engulfed Israel and the occupied territories since the start of the second intifada, or uprising, in September 2000.

"The children are a product of their environment" and since the start of the intifada "no part of the Gaza Strip has been spared from violence," said Palestinian psychiatrist Iyad al-Sarraj.

The trauma of growing up in what often resembles a war-zone is compounded by the poverty.

More than 85 percent of people try to survive on less than two dollars a day, according to the World Bank. About half are believed to suffer from malnutrition.

The scars left by witnessing the death of a loved one or the destruction of property during Israeli bombardments are slow to heal and many now show symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder.

These children "are feverish, anguished and violent. They can no longer concentrate at school," said Sarraj whose center counsels some 4,000 children a year.

The absence of a father, whether he has been imprisoned by the Israeli authorities or else killed in the violence, lies at the root of most the youngsters' troubles, the psychologist said.

Bereft of a father figure, many are on the look-out for role models.

With leaders of hardline groups such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad glorifying the "sacrifices" of suicide bombers, it is not hard to see how "martyrs" come to fill the gap.

The most recent suicide attacks against Israel were carried out by two 17-year-olds who both died killing 10 Israelis two weeks ago at the southern port of Ashdod.

But observers say the number of times young people have been recruited to carry out attacks on Israelis can be counted on one hand and leaders of armed factions say they do not support the idea of children joining the fight.

"We have not actual proof of children being recruited" and both "Hamas and Islamic Jihad have rejected the participation of children in attacks," said Michael Bociurkiw, regional spokesman for the United Nations children's fund UNICEF.

The organisation has tried to lighten the psychological suffering on young Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank with a series of initiatives. One of them features a free phone hotline to allow them to let off steam rather than become involved in protests that can often turn ugly.

"The idea of this number is that before they think of throwing stones at Israeli tanks, they children can ring in and express their frustration", said Bociurkiw.

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This is for the Zionists and wannabe Zionists who post pictures of children dressed as Militants and holding weapons in DEMONSTRAITIONS.
 
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