Israel begins sell-off of refugees' land

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WillNever said:
Nay SAM, murdering innocents is ALWAYS wrong... regardless of what your reasons are, what your religion is, or the method by which you do it. It is wrong for the Israelis to kill individuals who didn't harm anybody... but that does not make it okay for Palestinians to kill OTHER individuals who didn't harm anybody. Placing collective responsibility on a group of people who don't act collectively is the only way that one can condone indiscriminate killing of human beings... and anyone who supports that is also supporting murder.
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That is a fair comment. Where, or with who, lies the responsibility to end the circumstances that result in innocents being murdered?
 
pjdude1219 said:
I am not a bigot and my views are based on facts. Yeah I have no idsea what i'm talking about yet I presented a source.
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Yes, a source that is using unnamed sources, and purported war crimes, yes really reliable sources, what you have presented a blog site with a agenda, with no concrete evidence, only wild speculation and conjecture, nothing in the video showed any such actions, or abuses.

Your the one who brought up ROEs and claimed that they were a shoot on sight, now provide documentable reference, fact and name, or the actual ROEs that show such were the Rules of Engagement.

pj, show one post that you have made that doesn't blame Israel from day one.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Yes, a source that is using unnamed sources,
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yes because active duty soldiers always give their names so they can be punished for being a whistleblower
and purported war crimes,
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They have been substaniated by Israeli sources.
yes really reliable sources,
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more reliable than anything you've posted.

Your the one who brought up ROEs and claimed that they were a shoot on sight,
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No i didn't say that I said they ammounted to that.
now provide documentable reference, fact and name, or the actual ROEs that show such were the Rules of Engagement.
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I did. Just because its not confirming your ideas doesn't mean its not reliable.

pj, show one post that you have made that doesn't blame Israel from day one.
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Blaming those responsalbe doesn't make you a bigot. By that defintion you would have to be a bigot because you don't think Israel has a blame. and even if I have never not blamed Israel for its actions doesn't make me a bigot. I blame the spanish and english for offing wqhole peoples it doesn't mean I'm a bigot.
 
S.A.M. said:
Not enough. Palestinians are killed everyday. And maybe worse, they are harvested.
Why are people shot by the IDF being returned dead and autopsied with Y incisions?
What do they doubt about the cause of death?
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Further to this grotesque outrage. A most disturbing and damning post from Kawther Salam.
The Body Snatchers of Israel
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Independently of the recently published article of the Swedish journalist Donald Boström about the Israelis murdering Palestinians in order to harvesting of organs for sale, and independently of the hysteric screeching and denials by the Israelis, I want to present my readers what I witnessed, saw, observed and heard during my 22 years of journalistic work under the Israeli military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza. My personal experience confirms what Mr. Boström wrote: while I do not know the particular case which he describes, it is typical for what the Israelis do in Palestine all the time, what is “normal” since the early seventies. (http://www.kawther.info/wpr/2009/08/23/the-body-snatchers-of-israel)
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Any comments regarding this article?
 
Buffalo Roam said:
SAM, support by the People that the Government didn't go far enough in Gaza, isn't a indication of wanting to murder all Palestinians, it is a recognition that the Israeli Government didn't go far enough to end the problem of incessant attacks, and that all it did was allow Hamas to escape to kill again and keep the e Israeli People under the threat of daily attacks from Hamas and the Palestinians.

You bigotry is running amuck, and you really need a dose of reality, even I recognize that not all Palestinians/Muslims want to murder all Israelis Jews, just as I also know that all Israelis don't want to murder all Palestinians/Muslims.
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See the poll, Buffalo. 82% of Israelis supported the massacre in Gaza, if you compute that 20% of Israelis are Arabs, that is all the Jews who supported acts like this:

The International Committee of the Red Cross has accused the Israeli military of "unacceptable" conduct and breaching international humanitarian law after discovering four emaciated children living next to the corpses of their mothers and other adults in bomb-shattered houses in Gaza City.

The ICRC said that it had spent four days seeking Israeli guarantees of safe passage so that it could gain access to the houses in the badly damaged Zaytun neighbourhood of the city. It was finally allowed to send in a rescue team and four Palestine Red Crescent Society ambulances yesterday afternoon and said today that what they found was shocking.

In one house they discovered four small children, alive but too weak to stand, next to the bodies of their dead mothers. In all their were 12 dead bodies lying on mattresses.

In another house they found 15 survivors of the Israeli bombardment, several of them wounded, and in a third, three corpses. At that point they were ordered to leave by Israeli soldiers manning a post some 80 metres away, but they refused to do so.

The children and the wounded had to be taken to the ambulances by donkey cart because earth walls erected by the Israeli army made it impossible to bring the vehicles close enough to the houses. In all, the rescue team removed 18 wounded and 12 others who were extremely exhausted. It took away two corpses and plans to return to fetch 13 more tomorrow.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21683.htm
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Ask the Peace Now movement if they can even get a thousand Jews to come for a demonstration in Israel.

To Israel’s critics abroad, the picture could not be clearer: Israel’s war in Gaza is a wildly disproportionate response to the rockets of Hamas, causing untold human suffering and bombing an already isolated and impoverished population into the Stone Age, and it must be stopped.

Since Israeli warplanes opened the assault on Gaza 17 days ago, about 900 Palestinians have been reported killed, many of them civilians. Red Cross workers were denied access to scores of dead and wounded Gazans, and a civilian crowd near a United Nations school was hit, with at least 40 people killed.

But voices of dissent in this country have been rare. And while tens of thousands have poured into the streets of world capitals demonstrating against the Israeli military operation, antiwar rallies here have struggled to draw 1,000 participants. The Peace Now organization has received many messages from supporters telling it to stay out of the streets on this one.

As the editorial page of The Jerusalem Post put it on Monday, the world must be wondering, do Israelis really believe that everybody is wrong and they alone are right?

The answer is yes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/13/world/middleeast/13israel.html
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The ones who did not want to kill the Palestinians have probably moved out.
 
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S.A.M. said:
See the poll, Buffalo. 82% of Israelis supported the massacre in Gaza, if you compute that 20% of Israelis are Arabs, that is all the Jews who supported acts like this
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SAM your definition of what the story show and poll asks.

And as to;

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/13/world/middleeast/13israel.html?_r=1

Israelis deeply believe, rightly or wrongly, that their military works harder than most to spare civilians, holding their fire in many more cases than using it

“This is a just war and we don’t feel guilty when civilians we don’t intend to hurt get hurt, because we feel Hamas uses these civilians as human shields,” said Elliot Jager, editorial page editor of The Jerusalem Post, who happened to answer his phone for an interview while in Ashkelon, an Israeli city about 10 miles from Gaza, standing in front of a house that had been hit two hours earlier by a Hamas rocket.

“We do feel bad about it, but we don’t feel guilty,” Mr. Jager added. “The most ethical moral imperative is for Israel to prevail in this conflict over an immoral Islamist philosophy. It is a zero sum conflict. That is what is not understood outside this country.”

This is not a call for the destruction and murder of the Gaza Arabs.

Boaz Gaon, a playwright and peace activist,

“Hamas has pushed Israeli thinking back 30 years,” he said. “It has killed the peace camp.”

Even the Peace Camp in Israel recognizes that Hamas is responsible.
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If Hamas doesn't want their people to starve don't shoot rocket and mortars daily into Israel, don't start a war you can't win.

War is Hell, it is a dirty business, and there are no saints on either side, but Hamas and Gaza and the Arab Palestinians have chosen this route, they have been on the attack against Israel since before 1948.

Daily mortar attacks, rocket attacks, suicide bombers, constant probes against the security forces, kidnappings......war, that is what Hamas, Fatah, and the myriad of smaller Arab warlords have chosen.

So again show exactly in expressed words that Jews Israelis support the murder of Arabs in Palestine, show the ROEs that authorized shoot on sight, show the Operation Plans that are the necessary part to carry out such a thing.

SAM you are running rampant with Hyperbole, and bigotry, your Islamic chauvinism, is on display for all to see, and it is as ugly as any such bigotry from any raciest around the world.

Nothing you forwarded show any such sentiment from the Jews Israelis, supporting the rampant murder of Arabs in Gaza or the West Bank, or anywhere else in the world, the ROE of the Israeli Army are clear and firm on that subject and if that weren't the death toll would be in the 100reds of thousands, not 1,400 casualties.

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Please do not conflate all Jews with Israelis. It appears here as if you are trying to exaggerate the position of another contributor.
Please avoid ad hominems as in "SAM you are running rampant..." above.

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Well Buffalo the way I see it, ghouls can justify napalming villages or throwing white phosphorus on children or even torturing innocent civilians in unlawful detention as "self defence".

The question is, do you really want to accomodate such thinking? Are these the kind of people you want to reach a compromise with?

You can compromise with people who show some semblance of remorse at starving children lying next to the dead bodies of their mothers.

What understanding can you give to those who will deliberately keep away rescuers from them?

At what point do you say, enough! This must stop, now!


Here is a preview of Max Blumenthals new documentary called Israel's Terror Inside


What part of it do you disagree with?
 
It is Israeli land, and they can do whatever they please with it. If you got problems, click your heals three times and go f8 yourself. Have a nice day :)
 
spidergoat said:
Knowledge? Why don't you start a separate rant on it?

They evidently took your brains too.

Anything missing?
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You are funny. :) I recall from some thread you have a slight mental condition? Nevertheless, feel free to respond to my post #53 in the on topic thread.
 
It's a developmental disorder, which often results in a higher than average IQ. I responded in post #58.
 
Clueless pro-Israelis ask for right to commit genocide

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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3764489,00.html
 
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