Flores said:
You see, these kind of statements tell a lot about you:
I think living in America has a lot to do with this stupid remarks.
Islam; What does it mean?
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You see, these kind of statements tell a lot about you:
I think living in America has a lot to do with this stupid remarks.
Proud_Muslim said:
How hypocritical...Do you know what you are saying:
You are saying that some household composed of a father, mother, inlaws, kids, ect..and is having major problems needs one kid to separate and move to another country so that he can help solve the bedroom problems at home??
What kind of logic is that...Your country have millions of able body that can move mountains with hard word...but no....let's all whine together and send some of us outside to be dedicate to the full time whining job.
Proud_Muslim said:
Don't tease me...You have over and over called me a Sharmouta...I'm not about to fall in your simpathy trap, so you can do me over and over again.
You see, I'm a true muslim, and a muslim never gets bitten by the same snake twice. It's not America that have taught me my ways, it's the core of Islam.
Flores said:
Flores, I dont take great pleasure in calling you ugly name , but you had excedded all levels of decency and you started insulting me.
Anyway, we can start again WITHOUT insults, we can both learn from each others, we can both benefit from each others, no need for trading insults, instead we can concentrate on rational constructive debate.
I am NOT what you think, Please if America have the KKK, does that mean all americans are KKK ?? so please Flores, dont generalize your views on all arabs and muslims.
The great thing about you which impressed me is the fact that you are MUSLIM and you say it with confidence, I like that, even we disagree on many aspects of what muslim means, but we can take that as COMMON FACTOR between me and you and we can build on it..what do you think ?
Flores said:
Will you please stop your insults and slander ?? this is what is stoping me from rational constructive debate with YOU at least.
I have no problem with other memebrs apart from some usual nuties even if we disagree but at least the debate is moving without insults.
I want to talk with you, I DONT want to trade insults with you.
You see, I'm a true muslim, and a muslim never gets bitten by the same snake twice. It's not America that have taught me my ways, it's the core of Islam.
Would a “true Muslim” woman post pictures of herself on the internet in a bathing suit?
Would a “true Muslim” use derogatory remarks, insult everyone and call people childish names?
Would a “true Muslim” woman post pictures of herself on the internet in a bathing suit?
Would a “true Muslim” use derogatory remarks, insult everyone and call people childish names?
(Q) said:
Yes, absolutely. Not only that I have a picture of me in the internet in a bathing suit. I have a couple of pictures of myself in a bathing suit in national and international newspapers. My husband for an anniversay gift have compiled all of my sport articles and pictures and made me a book. You see, I was in the swimming team, I raced a concrete canoe in college, I played gymnastics and was a national champion. I have no problem whatsoever being in a bikini, and if someone have an once of right to complain about it, it's my husband, not you. And my husband supports me 100%.
Flores said:
Flores, you said only your husband has the right to complain ? what about Allah's right ?? what about ISLAM ?
Flores, look, we are not your enemies, but posting your pictures with bikini on the internet is not only dangerous but also anti Islamic and you know that.
Bells said:
Well certainly it is no one business, but when she claims she is TRUE Muslim, then it certainly becomes OUR business, because ISLAM got involved, showing your pictures nearly naked is not ISLAMIC and does not represent TRUE MUSLIM....this must be CLEAR to everyone as (Q) so correctly put it.
She can do whatever she want, she can post her pictures naked, I dont care, but I do mind her saying she is TRUE muslim.
Bells
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So you've classified yourself as being the spokesman for all Muslims? You're now the voice of conscience for all Muslims? Should I be giving my Muslim family and friends your email address for you to judge them in the place of Allah? Her claiming to be a true Muslim is a matter that concerns the relationship only between herself and her God Allah. You dont really come into the picture. It is not your place to judge or pass morals on her. You are not Allah but a mere child of Allah.Proud_Muslim said:
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Here I'd always thought that freedom of choice or free will was implied under Islam. Therefore Flores was free to choose to do as she wished.
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Proud_Muslim said:
And who is Mr. Islam? How can I contact him? I thought it was MY islam...why do you want to rob my own "submission to my creator". Who are you to rob me of my inner most feelings and relationship to my creator..
Now, you go along and tell Mr. Islam that I'm not interested. My submission, my peace is MINE, it's not a club membership.
If she's behaving like me to get accepted into western pop culture, she will have quite a difficult time. It seems to me that Flores is more accepted into society than I am. Do I date? No. Do I drink? no. Do I eat pork? Rarely. But I do not have the hypocrisy to suggest that any of these things brings about salvation.
Really? I thought you weren't supposed to be friends with muslim women unless if you marry them?
Obviously, Flores was with her children and husband and wasn't impressing other men. Are Muslims allowed to go swimming?
She wants to be like me... but she's Arab. Yeah your right, those Arabs could never be like emigrants from the western Ukraine and Ireland. Besides, the Hijhab is a protective dress rather than a dress that would be sinful not to where. Furthermore, the passage suggest that Muhammed decreeded it because muslims were openely communicating with non-muslims and being harrassed. Since Flores was with her husband, she would be protected from this.
I don't have a culture.
Thousands aren't too many. How many Armenians were killed by Islamic radicals?
Okinrus
Obviously, Flores was with her children and husband and wasn't impressing other men. Are Muslims allowed to go swimming?
You’ve missed the point entirely – she posted the pics on the internet.
If Flores were living in an Arab state as a “true Muslim,” wouldn’t you have expected the locals, who after viewing these pics and recognizing her, drag Flores out into the street for a public stoning?
In other words, the fact that Flores is not living in an Arab state as a "true Muslim" amongst other "true Muslims," and is most likely living in Western society, protects her from public stoning.
It's a great society in which to live. Lucky Flores.
Obviously, Flores was with her children and husband and wasn't impressing other men. Are Muslims allowed to go swimming?
You’ve missed the point entirely – she posted the pics on the internet.
If Flores were living in an Arab state as a “true Muslim,” wouldn’t you have expected the locals, who after viewing these pics and recognizing her, drag Flores out into the street for a public stoning?
In other words, the fact that Flores is not living in an Arab state as a "true Muslim" amongst other "true Muslims," and is most likely living in Western society, protects her from public stoning.
It's a great society in which to live. Lucky Flores.
okinrus, I know this is totally off topic, and you don't have to answer if you don't want to, but why don't you date women? You're a young man in your prime. You are a professional person (computer scientist). Why do you choose to be alone? You really don't have to answer this, because it is too personal for me to ask. I'm old enough to be your mother, so I am asking this in a motherly tone.
So, you don't think her neighbors would appeal to Sharia penal laws and distribute their own brand of mob mentallity justice? Or would Sharia laws not be invoked?
It seems many such public stonings go unnoticed until it is too late according to this article:
http://www.ishr.org/activities/campaigns/stoning/ishr_position_paper.htm
It seems many such public stonings go unnoticed until it is too late according to this article:
http://www.ishr.org/activities/campaigns/stoning/ishr_position_paper.htm
Bells said:
You got it wrong, someone who post her picture nearly naked and then claim to be TURE MUSLIM is DEFAMING ISLAM, and it is my DUTY as well as other muslims to advice Flores that while she can do WHATEVER she pleases, she cant claim that doing so make her TRUE MUSLIM.
As I said, she can chose to post her pictures naked, i dont care, but I do care and I object her saying she is TRUE MUSLIM because she is NOT, saying that is DEFAMING ISLAM and that is why we need to step in, it stoped being personal matter, it becomes ISLAMIC one.
She can post whatever she want, she can post her pictures naked, I dont care, but she CANT claim this action qualifies her for the title of TRUE MUSLIM and that is why (Q) got involved.
And then again, please bells stay away from things you dont understand, I did not know flores made you her personal lawyer on sciforums !!
okinrus said:
But we are talking here about normal western people and their daily life, certainly based on what you wrote, it seems you are western social outcast.
And where did you get that from ??? from FOX JEWS or from the CNN ??
She posted the pictures on the internet which make it very unpersonal, she can do whatever she wants, I dont mind her posting her pictures even naked on the internet, but she cant claim that she is TRUE MUSLIM because she is NOT.
Not wearing the Hijab constitue SIN because the Hijab is DIVINE ORDER.
You see, you too are showing sheer ignorance of Islam just like flores, prophet Muhammad(pbuh) did NOT decreeded the Hijab, it is ALLAH (SWT) who did...please go read some basics about Islam, this site is good start:
www.islamworld.net
Or how many Muslims killed by the AMERICAN TERRORISTS in Iraq and Afghanistan ?????????????