Rather, it is the Muslims who are being summarily executed to protect the western perspectives.
You can tally the columns yourself.
Islam vs. the Western World: off-topic posts from a Religion thread
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Rather, it is the Muslims who are being summarily executed to protect the western perspectives.
You can tally the columns yourself.
Really? My word.
Which muslims are being summarily executed for becoming muslim in the Western world? Or in any world.
Take your time.
DiamondHearts
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Disinformation is the main vehicle for criticism of Muslims and Islam. Since these individuals have a moral void and lack any human empathy, they can no longer support themselves on the supposed 'ascendancy' of their principles alone. Thus they must therefore seek to malign others, to hold themselves as supposed 'enlightened' beings. American invasion and killing of more than a million human beings in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Gaza, Somalia, Chechnya, Kashmir, and other regions is the only proof required to prove our assertion. Why is that 80% of the world's refugees are Muslims (UN study)? Majority of those killed in this age and occupied are Muslims?
There lies the truth of an expansionist 'way of life' which seeks to undermine and eliminate all others. What possible threat does Islamic law in Somalia effect the US? It is the US which has invaded the Muslim world, and not vice versa. To continue to deceive yourself that it is the other way reveals a psychological plague on the Western mind.
Let others govern by their own wishes, the US is no longer worthy of being the world's policeman. It has tarnished its own supposed 'moral principles' in the pursuit of unknown organization which it tells us are part of the Islamic civilization, but yet we are still unaware of who these individuals are. They claim that these individuals have tremendous influence over our affairs and the everyday lives of Muslims, but as of right now, we do not see any affect on us, besides the US destruction of our homes and children in pursuit of these elusive shadow beings.
As the stage sets on another era of human history, know that the Muslim world cannot remain pacified forever. It will rise and join its rightful place among the great nations of the world, and no amount of disinformation and oppression will hold this raging lion down. The West have kept our people in cages for two centuries, exploited us and our resources, and kept us pacified by genocide and violence. The time has come to the era of Muslim ascendancy in Muslim lands, and the expulsion of all foreign armies and agents. Muslims speak for Muslims, we follow Islam, and we will not cower to anyone. No one can prevent us from following our religion. Those who live in peace with us, we are in peace with them. Those who fight us, we will fight them until the ends of the Earth.
God bless the righteous and lift the oppression from our lands. Ameen.
There lies the truth of an expansionist 'way of life' which seeks to undermine and eliminate all others. What possible threat does Islamic law in Somalia effect the US? It is the US which has invaded the Muslim world, and not vice versa. To continue to deceive yourself that it is the other way reveals a psychological plague on the Western mind.
Let others govern by their own wishes, the US is no longer worthy of being the world's policeman. It has tarnished its own supposed 'moral principles' in the pursuit of unknown organization which it tells us are part of the Islamic civilization, but yet we are still unaware of who these individuals are. They claim that these individuals have tremendous influence over our affairs and the everyday lives of Muslims, but as of right now, we do not see any affect on us, besides the US destruction of our homes and children in pursuit of these elusive shadow beings.
As the stage sets on another era of human history, know that the Muslim world cannot remain pacified forever. It will rise and join its rightful place among the great nations of the world, and no amount of disinformation and oppression will hold this raging lion down. The West have kept our people in cages for two centuries, exploited us and our resources, and kept us pacified by genocide and violence. The time has come to the era of Muslim ascendancy in Muslim lands, and the expulsion of all foreign armies and agents. Muslims speak for Muslims, we follow Islam, and we will not cower to anyone. No one can prevent us from following our religion. Those who live in peace with us, we are in peace with them. Those who fight us, we will fight them until the ends of the Earth.
God bless the righteous and lift the oppression from our lands. Ameen.
Here's the funny part. And you diamond and SAM prove it time and time again.
You think that you and your people are infallible. That Muslims have never done anything and never do anything wrong. That whatever a Muslim person does is jsutified. And most of all, you cannot ever consider that something, or someone is wrong unless it is not Muslim.
Look at yourselves, look inside. If Muslims don't do anything wrong than why ar Sunnis fighting shiites. Why is Pakistan and India ready to nuke each other's asses.
If the US has done everything wrong and has sinned you so badly, than why are we the success story and you aren't? The Muslim world has predated ours by thousands of years, yet you are still behind because you lack the foresight of change, you are unwilling to change your society.
You think that you and your people are infallible. That Muslims have never done anything and never do anything wrong. That whatever a Muslim person does is jsutified. And most of all, you cannot ever consider that something, or someone is wrong unless it is not Muslim.
Look at yourselves, look inside. If Muslims don't do anything wrong than why ar Sunnis fighting shiites. Why is Pakistan and India ready to nuke each other's asses.
If the US has done everything wrong and has sinned you so badly, than why are we the success story and you aren't? The Muslim world has predated ours by thousands of years, yet you are still behind because you lack the foresight of change, you are unwilling to change your society.
And that fedr808 is the point of view that frustrates and annoys us. We can acknowledge that Muslims can commit crimes, but what we cant stand is the fact that everytime a person that happens to be Muslim commits a crime, it is painted as being because of Islam and not because that person was an asshole. Then we get websites who count how many "Muslim Terrorist Attacks" there have been, while not mentioning that the vast majority of those attacks take place in Iraq and or Afghanistan, 2 countries that the US invaded and brought war too. They also never mention that people kill each other for various things all over the world. How many murders and attacks are there every single day and or week in the US? How many gangs are active? Do we ascribe every single crime they commit to Christianity or Atheism? Should we? Add on top of that the cultural racism, that somehow the Muslim world is lagging light years behind and that therefore it is justified to attack and lambast Muslims and Islam, and yeah we can get a little bit annoyed.
Success story? A lot of Muslim countries are success stories. But everytime a success story from a Muslim country is highlighted the same old tired arguments about Islam that have been debunked time and time again are used, as to somehow degrade the success story because after all: "How could these barbaric people ever be on our level? We are superior." The vast majority of Muslim countries are technologically and financially relatively at the same level as most Western countries.
Success story? A lot of Muslim countries are success stories. But everytime a success story from a Muslim country is highlighted the same old tired arguments about Islam that have been debunked time and time again are used, as to somehow degrade the success story because after all: "How could these barbaric people ever be on our level? We are superior." The vast majority of Muslim countries are technologically and financially relatively at the same level as most Western countries.
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Name a few of those successful Muslim countries!
Only by using western technologies have any Muslim nations come anywhere near "success". I'm still wondering which Muslim nations you're speaking of??
Baron Max
Just to annoy you, I'll name Iran, which has made great strides in its research of nanotechnology and stemcell. Its threatre groups do various plays. It has great writers, doctors, teachers and scientists. And then there is Indonesia with a lot of other countries in East Asia which are pretty well off. Now lets see if you can acknowledge this without resorting to what I stated before.
What Western technology to achieve what exactly?
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Oil platforms for starters, do you really think that any of the middle eastern countries would be worth a nickel without them?
Nonsense, no one cares about Muslims that commit crimes, that stuff happens all the time. What are more important are the crimes that are committed in the name of Islam, because of Islam, by Islamic organizations. Christians commit crimes too, but things like killing abortion doctors are done in the name of Christianity. Sure humans can be violent, but we don't need religions that encourage this even further.
DiamondHearts
Registered Senior Member
Nicely put. Unfortunately when Muslims do something good, it is inspite of Islam, and when Muslims do something bad, it is because of Islam. It is the same recycled colonial mindset which helped them justify the Atlantic slave trade and the extermination of the Native Americans. Muslims are just the new victims.
What about when Muslims do bad things because of their particular interpretation of Islam? That couldn't be, because Islam is perfect? We shouldn't care because the west does even worse? And finally, it's just a reaction to oppression and occupation?
Heard it all before.
Heard it all before.
Well said friend. May G-d bless you and yours.
How do you come to that conclusion? DH and SAM have provided good reasons for the situation. Being in denial does not make them wrong.
OK, lets be childish. Whatever a Jew does is justified. Whatever an American does is justified. Whatever ...
Human nature is the damnedest thing. The other side of the coin is the undeniable residue if colonialism. (I would not expect you to understand that)
That is quite an arrogant and ignorant statement. Can you figure out WHY?
Whether you like it or not, the tide of history is on the side of Islam. Cultures are not required to change their societal norms and ways to reflect the flavor of the month society, in this case the Ronald MacDonald materialism that is the 'Western democratic" way.
You, my friend, will be MOST surprised to see how this world has changed in 30 years time.
Well said? Criticism of Islam is based on disinformation? Anyone who criticises Islam lacks empathy? This is blatant intellectual dishonesty and denial.
Define "success"?
Lets look at crime rates. Lets look at family cohesion. Lets look at moral standards. Lets look at rates of depression and suicide. Lets look at education. Lets look at literacy. Etc.
Success does not necessarily indicate the amount of cars or TV`s in a Mac Mansion.
Yes, and you are a PRIME example of one who has NO understanding and NO empathy. It would seem you are describing yourself.
Yes that would be the small handful of extremists that rear their ugly head in ANY society or religion.This has been pointed out innumerable times.